1 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:12,180 [Music] 2 00:00:32,070 --> 00:00:29,970 hello and welcome to the show on Martin 3 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:32,080 will assure host and we have an 4 00:00:36,900 --> 00:00:34,020 interesting show tonight 5 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:36,910 Alejandro is out in Las Vegas he's at 6 00:00:43,710 --> 00:00:40,270 the nab show the national broadcasters 7 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:43,720 something American broadcast oh hey yeah 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:46,290 that was Lee in the background and Lee 9 00:00:52,710 --> 00:00:49,450 Lee is going to be helping out with with 10 00:00:54,870 --> 00:00:52,720 UFO updates and you know dang and I 11 00:00:55,710 --> 00:00:54,880 might just fire that Alejandro I like 12 00:00:57,810 --> 00:00:55,720 Lee so much 13 00:00:59,670 --> 00:00:57,820 so anyway Lee's helping out with that I 14 00:01:02,100 --> 00:00:59,680 want to thank everyone that supports the 15 00:01:03,810 --> 00:01:02,110 show anyone can help us out for two 16 00:01:06,420 --> 00:01:03,820 dollars or more a month if you can't you 17 00:01:08,490 --> 00:01:06,430 can listen to the full show live always 18 00:01:10,859 --> 00:01:08,500 on Wednesday night at 80 at 8:00 to 19 00:01:12,510 --> 00:01:10,869 10:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time you can 20 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:12,520 also listen over at the Dark Matter 21 00:01:17,010 --> 00:01:14,170 digital network and that's every 22 00:01:19,260 --> 00:01:17,020 Thursday and that's ten to midnight and 23 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:19,270 that's also Eastern Standard Time as 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:24,130 well and anyway I guess we're just gonna 25 00:01:30,830 --> 00:01:26,890 roll right into it and I can't think of 26 00:01:34,169 --> 00:01:30,840 anything else to say except hello Lee 27 00:01:36,690 --> 00:01:34,179 hello Martin I I'm so glad to be here 28 00:01:39,749 --> 00:01:36,700 what I was trying to say before that NAB 29 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:39,759 you mentioned is means the National 30 00:01:44,219 --> 00:01:41,770 Association of Broadcasters because I 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:44,229 used to go to the nab conventions when I 32 00:01:49,139 --> 00:01:47,530 was in the radio world ah yeah and 33 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:49,149 there's a lot of really good things that 34 00:01:52,469 --> 00:01:49,810 happen there 35 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:52,479 I can't understand why Alejandro is 36 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:53,890 there he's probably trying to drum up 37 00:01:58,710 --> 00:01:56,170 some business or open minds yeah 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:01:58,720 absolutely and he said it's really fun 39 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:00,130 to look at all the gadgets and every 40 00:02:04,919 --> 00:02:03,610 everything there so it's supposed to be 41 00:02:06,809 --> 00:02:04,929 pretty spectacular from what I 42 00:02:08,430 --> 00:02:06,819 understand and can you imagine the 43 00:02:10,230 --> 00:02:08,440 technology today compared to the 44 00:02:12,180 --> 00:02:10,240 probably the last time you went it must 45 00:02:15,059 --> 00:02:12,190 have be really different oh of course 46 00:02:16,920 --> 00:02:15,069 it's leaps and bounds yeah yeah I can't 47 00:02:19,380 --> 00:02:16,930 edit it so it's like a candy store for 48 00:02:21,449 --> 00:02:19,390 people like you and me right right so 49 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:21,459 you know we're gonna just to let the 50 00:02:27,510 --> 00:02:25,000 live listener know on YouTube you can 51 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:27,520 see that we have a there's a flickering 52 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:29,770 going on on Lee's side of the screen 53 00:02:34,979 --> 00:02:32,620 we're not sure up this has to do I guess 54 00:02:35,980 --> 00:02:34,989 with that my latest Mac update is the 55 00:02:38,350 --> 00:02:35,990 only thing that 56 00:02:40,300 --> 00:02:38,360 so there may be some type of conflicting 57 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:40,310 problem with the software so bear with 58 00:02:43,090 --> 00:02:42,170 us on that this audio should be just 59 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:43,100 fine 60 00:02:51,340 --> 00:02:48,410 so anyway Lee you are working with James 61 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:51,350 Fox and someone just wrote me last week 62 00:02:55,390 --> 00:02:53,210 and they said when is 701 coming out 63 00:02:58,660 --> 00:02:55,400 it's not called 701 anymore is though 64 00:03:01,000 --> 00:02:58,670 isn't it is there a working title now 65 00:03:05,650 --> 00:03:01,010 for that yes there is a working title 66 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:05,660 and and it is now called UFOs what we 67 00:03:14,350 --> 00:03:11,660 now know it was called 701 based on the 68 00:03:16,690 --> 00:03:14,360 number of unknowns that were left over 69 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:16,700 from the the Air Force's Project Blue 70 00:03:22,090 --> 00:03:19,850 Book days they had more than 12,000 71 00:03:24,340 --> 00:03:22,100 reports that they had looked at the Air 72 00:03:26,980 --> 00:03:24,350 Force over twenty twenty year period and 73 00:03:29,980 --> 00:03:26,990 of those twelve thousand plus there were 74 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:29,990 701 left over that were just considered 75 00:03:36,790 --> 00:03:34,250 unknown unidentified unexplained and and 76 00:03:39,790 --> 00:03:36,800 so when when James started working on 77 00:03:44,020 --> 00:03:39,800 this documentary the working title was 78 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:44,030 going to be 701 but we it's gone through 79 00:03:51,370 --> 00:03:47,750 some changes I've come on board and as a 80 00:03:53,950 --> 00:03:51,380 co-producer with with James and I'm 81 00:03:56,380 --> 00:03:53,960 happy to say that this is going to be a 82 00:03:59,140 --> 00:03:56,390 different kind of documentary that 83 00:04:01,840 --> 00:03:59,150 people are going to really go wow I 84 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:01,850 didn't know that or Wow show me that 85 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:06,110 again well I know that you've got a 86 00:04:10,690 --> 00:04:08,810 really good budget and if any listeners 87 00:04:13,330 --> 00:04:10,700 out there have ever watched out of the 88 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:13,340 blue or I know what I saw of those are 89 00:04:16,810 --> 00:04:15,170 just those are my two favorite and 90 00:04:19,229 --> 00:04:16,820 they're you know there's a couple of 91 00:04:21,430 --> 00:04:19,239 crossovers between the two but 92 00:04:24,370 --> 00:04:21,440 absolutely fantastic and this one is 93 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:24,380 gonna top that by far which is really 94 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:25,970 exciting I can't wait till that comes 95 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:32,450 out well Anita can I think I bet this is 96 00:04:40,270 --> 00:04:35,570 going to be the the third installment of 97 00:04:41,590 --> 00:04:40,280 James's UFO trilogy and it's going to 98 00:04:44,590 --> 00:04:41,600 there are going to be things in this 99 00:04:47,830 --> 00:04:44,600 many things that will take the breath 100 00:04:49,719 --> 00:04:47,840 away of both believers and skeptics we 101 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:49,729 think because we're 102 00:04:56,170 --> 00:04:52,639 going for total integrity total 103 00:04:59,439 --> 00:04:56,180 credibility which is not something you 104 00:05:02,529 --> 00:04:59,449 get in a lot of films productions these 105 00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:02,539 days or in recent years and I'm on board 106 00:05:08,829 --> 00:05:06,830 because if if James and I hadn't come to 107 00:05:10,899 --> 00:05:08,839 an agreement that this is how we were 108 00:05:12,369 --> 00:05:10,909 going to put this thing together I don't 109 00:05:15,219 --> 00:05:12,379 think either one of us would have wanted 110 00:05:17,049 --> 00:05:15,229 to start it in the first place yeah can 111 00:05:20,950 --> 00:05:17,059 you give us any type of teasers of any 112 00:05:24,959 --> 00:05:20,960 any part of it I I will give you a one 113 00:05:29,409 --> 00:05:24,969 teaser that the opening sequence of the 114 00:05:32,619 --> 00:05:29,419 film is is going to make everybody crazy 115 00:05:34,269 --> 00:05:32,629 every time I look at it and and I 116 00:05:37,299 --> 00:05:34,279 already know what it looks like I go 117 00:05:41,469 --> 00:05:37,309 crazy looking at it it's and all that I 118 00:05:45,689 --> 00:05:41,479 will say is that it involves a real very 119 00:05:50,079 --> 00:05:45,699 close encounter and pursuit of a UFO 120 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:50,089 going back to the 1950s it was it was a 121 00:05:57,369 --> 00:05:54,529 real event and and how how we've come to 122 00:05:59,529 --> 00:05:57,379 put this thing together will blow you 123 00:06:02,320 --> 00:05:59,539 away it blows me away every time I look 124 00:06:04,389 --> 00:06:02,330 at it and it's it sets the tone for the 125 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:04,399 rest of the movie and that's why we're 126 00:06:08,980 --> 00:06:06,889 doing it as the very opening sequence of 127 00:06:13,510 --> 00:06:08,990 it yeah yeah you told me the details 128 00:06:16,629 --> 00:06:13,520 about that I can't wait pretty exciting 129 00:06:19,629 --> 00:06:16,639 yeah all right so do you have anything 130 00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:19,639 we can talk about in the way of UFO 131 00:06:25,149 --> 00:06:22,520 events recent events there was something 132 00:06:28,139 --> 00:06:25,159 that caught my eye it was an incident 133 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:28,149 that took place over Southern Arizona 134 00:06:33,639 --> 00:06:31,370 near the end of February and it was in 135 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:33,649 the middle of the afternoon and and it 136 00:06:40,629 --> 00:06:37,330 involved pilots in two separate aircraft 137 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:40,639 who reported seeing a mysterious flying 138 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:44,330 object above their planes the the FAA 139 00:06:50,379 --> 00:06:46,449 the Federal Aviation Administration 140 00:06:53,379 --> 00:06:50,389 released a flight recording to the 141 00:06:56,409 --> 00:06:53,389 public and an in this recording one 142 00:06:59,170 --> 00:06:56,419 pilot who was with the Phoenix air group 143 00:07:03,279 --> 00:06:59,180 was at the controls of a Learjet and he 144 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:03,289 was at 37,000 feet and he asked 145 00:07:08,619 --> 00:07:05,330 air traffic control if they had just 146 00:07:09,670 --> 00:07:08,629 tracked anyone above them about 30 147 00:07:12,189 --> 00:07:09,680 seconds ago 148 00:07:15,700 --> 00:07:12,199 and the response from the official at 149 00:07:19,299 --> 00:07:15,710 the the FAA s Albuquerque Center was 150 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:19,309 simply quote negative you know like you 151 00:07:24,420 --> 00:07:20,930 might expect them to say and then the 152 00:07:27,429 --> 00:07:24,430 pilot then said okay but something did 153 00:07:31,570 --> 00:07:27,439 and quote like something did you know 154 00:07:35,850 --> 00:07:31,580 show up here then just a few minutes 155 00:07:38,649 --> 00:07:35,860 later on an American Airlines pilot 156 00:07:41,019 --> 00:07:38,659 reported seeing the same unexplained 157 00:07:44,980 --> 00:07:41,029 object passing right over the top of the 158 00:07:47,949 --> 00:07:44,990 jet and about 40,000 feet above the the 159 00:07:50,529 --> 00:07:47,959 Arizona Sonoran Desert and the pilot 160 00:07:53,109 --> 00:07:50,539 said that the object had a big 161 00:07:56,409 --> 00:07:53,119 reflection and it was going in the 162 00:07:58,540 --> 00:07:56,419 opposite direction of the jet now well 163 00:08:00,879 --> 00:07:58,550 while there's been no immediate 164 00:08:02,260 --> 00:08:00,889 follow-up about this event because 165 00:08:04,230 --> 00:08:02,270 really when something like that happens 166 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:04,240 and something goes so fast either 167 00:08:08,969 --> 00:08:06,649 approaching your dread going above it 168 00:08:12,790 --> 00:08:08,979 going to the side and if it's not 169 00:08:16,809 --> 00:08:12,800 captured or imaged by radar it's it's 170 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:16,819 hard to tell exactly what this was but 171 00:08:23,499 --> 00:08:19,610 what it does in my mind it brings up the 172 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:23,509 that the always possible discussion 173 00:08:30,299 --> 00:08:26,120 about well just how safe are the 174 00:08:34,769 --> 00:08:30,309 friendly skies and and not not just for 175 00:08:37,990 --> 00:08:34,779 for passengers but whether for 176 00:08:41,230 --> 00:08:38,000 commercial airliners for military jet 177 00:08:43,990 --> 00:08:41,240 fighter pilots and in in this case the 178 00:08:47,290 --> 00:08:44,000 FAA said that they had not been aware of 179 00:08:51,059 --> 00:08:47,300 any kind of military activity or weather 180 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:51,069 balloons in the air at that time so so 181 00:08:56,939 --> 00:08:53,569 even though we don't know what it was it 182 00:08:59,230 --> 00:08:56,949 doesn't sound like the planet Venus 183 00:09:02,800 --> 00:08:59,240 especially if it was going in the 184 00:09:05,379 --> 00:09:02,810 opposite direction you know yeah I know 185 00:09:07,870 --> 00:09:05,389 this there's some great audio on that I 186 00:09:10,210 --> 00:09:07,880 think I had that at some point but I 187 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:10,220 don't have it right now but yeah they 188 00:09:15,429 --> 00:09:11,810 they're definitely talking about 189 00:09:16,990 --> 00:09:15,439 something going on there and the audio 190 00:09:18,910 --> 00:09:17,000 by the way you probably 191 00:09:21,700 --> 00:09:18,920 already know this but it was it was 192 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:21,710 released by the FAA on that in 193 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:25,010 particular which is very unusual yeah I 194 00:09:29,380 --> 00:09:26,000 think that's really interesting 195 00:09:32,010 --> 00:09:29,390 especially coming on the heels of of the 196 00:09:35,590 --> 00:09:32,020 Pentagon yeah release of those first two 197 00:09:37,990 --> 00:09:35,600 jet fighter pilot films that came out in 198 00:09:39,610 --> 00:09:38,000 the middle of December that and that 199 00:09:42,430 --> 00:09:39,620 made it such a big splash it actually 200 00:09:44,230 --> 00:09:42,440 went viral instantly I mean everybody in 201 00:09:46,930 --> 00:09:44,240 the news industry was talking about it 202 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:46,940 showing the films over and over again 203 00:09:52,230 --> 00:09:50,060 and and part of the big discussion about 204 00:09:54,220 --> 00:09:52,240 that was well why why is the Pentagon 205 00:09:55,870 --> 00:09:54,230 releasing this kind of information you 206 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:55,880 would think that the government of a 207 00:10:00,990 --> 00:09:57,770 military would not want to suddenly 208 00:10:04,030 --> 00:10:01,000 acknowledge that we had UFOs on film 209 00:10:06,550 --> 00:10:04,040 that that's it wasn't just so much that 210 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:06,560 the that the New York Times broke the 211 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:09,650 story in and of itself I believe that 212 00:10:14,590 --> 00:10:12,350 was the first time in the history of the 213 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:14,600 New York Times that they released a 214 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:18,860 front-page story about UFOs so there 215 00:10:23,310 --> 00:10:20,450 were like all all different kinds of 216 00:10:27,340 --> 00:10:23,320 firsts about this but like you just said 217 00:10:29,560 --> 00:10:27,350 the fact that the FAA released this this 218 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:29,570 recording they didn't have to that they 219 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:31,010 were they were gonna gain nothing by it 220 00:10:36,220 --> 00:10:33,650 except from further discussion more 221 00:10:38,350 --> 00:10:36,230 controversy more questions what like 222 00:10:40,210 --> 00:10:38,360 what's going on what's happening in the 223 00:10:42,430 --> 00:10:40,220 skies above our planet why are you 224 00:10:46,540 --> 00:10:42,440 telling us that there may be something 225 00:10:49,030 --> 00:10:46,550 up there that we can't we can't stop we 226 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:49,040 can't catch we can't outmaneuver why are 227 00:10:52,870 --> 00:10:50,450 you letting us know instead of 228 00:10:56,290 --> 00:10:52,880 continuing to lie about it or deny it 229 00:10:59,440 --> 00:10:56,300 right like the air force always had yeah 230 00:11:01,060 --> 00:10:59,450 you know basically because who would 231 00:11:02,890 --> 00:11:01,070 want to admit they didn't have control 232 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:02,900 over what's going on in the skies when 233 00:11:07,780 --> 00:11:05,930 they're supposed to protect it yes well 234 00:11:09,610 --> 00:11:07,790 and you know there's another thing you 235 00:11:13,570 --> 00:11:09,620 and I have talked about before about 236 00:11:16,780 --> 00:11:13,580 this this whole idea about pilots the 237 00:11:19,329 --> 00:11:16,790 pilots in general won't report UFOs and 238 00:11:21,460 --> 00:11:19,339 people are always asking me about that 239 00:11:24,730 --> 00:11:21,470 and asking why won't they talk about it 240 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:24,740 well certainly it could severely limit 241 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:27,890 their credibility and threaten their 242 00:11:31,060 --> 00:11:30,500 very nice high paying jobs if they would 243 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:31,070 have stopped 244 00:11:35,890 --> 00:11:32,810 talking openly about this thing that 245 00:11:38,110 --> 00:11:35,900 that that played tag with their aircraft 246 00:11:39,910 --> 00:11:38,120 while they were trying to to fly you 247 00:11:43,630 --> 00:11:39,920 know 300 people from one location to 248 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:43,640 another and also what why would any of 249 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:47,090 the major airlines one fuel any 250 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:50,360 speculation about UFOs to the public or 251 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:52,370 the general media is this wouldn't be 252 00:11:56,350 --> 00:11:54,350 good for business it sure wouldn't that 253 00:11:58,390 --> 00:11:56,360 you know a lot of people may not fly I 254 00:12:00,940 --> 00:11:58,400 mean you know I never really thought of 255 00:12:04,870 --> 00:12:00,950 it in that in that way but that 256 00:12:07,150 --> 00:12:04,880 certainly makes sense well you know and 257 00:12:08,980 --> 00:12:07,160 I've talked to pilots I've talked with 258 00:12:10,990 --> 00:12:08,990 many pilots over the years who said to 259 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:11,000 me look I don't want to lose my job I 260 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:13,160 don't want to lose my pension and and 261 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:15,650 and for and then why why would the 262 00:12:19,270 --> 00:12:17,690 American public and again not just the 263 00:12:21,970 --> 00:12:19,280 American public Martin it's like why 264 00:12:25,210 --> 00:12:21,980 would the citizens of this planet want 265 00:12:27,790 --> 00:12:25,220 to continue flying if they thought that 266 00:12:29,950 --> 00:12:27,800 there might be an event that could 267 00:12:32,500 --> 00:12:29,960 happen that could that could affect the 268 00:12:34,060 --> 00:12:32,510 security of that flight or the national 269 00:12:35,860 --> 00:12:34,070 security of whatever country that 270 00:12:38,680 --> 00:12:35,870 they're flying over at the time there's 271 00:12:43,060 --> 00:12:38,690 a lot of implications here about UFOs 272 00:12:46,090 --> 00:12:43,070 and I'm frankly surprised that the 273 00:12:48,550 --> 00:12:46,100 military and the FAA would have released 274 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:48,560 this kind of information now there are 275 00:12:53,050 --> 00:12:50,690 there are people who will say well this 276 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:53,060 is all part of disclosure disclosure is 277 00:12:58,390 --> 00:12:56,450 right around the corner well no first of 278 00:13:02,170 --> 00:12:58,400 all I say to people that there's already 279 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:02,180 been disclosure if you want to know some 280 00:13:07,990 --> 00:13:04,670 of the answers some little little bits 281 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:08,000 of the truth about UFOs you can find it 282 00:13:11,590 --> 00:13:10,130 you got to do some legwork you've got to 283 00:13:14,110 --> 00:13:11,600 do some reading you've got to do some 284 00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:14,120 research you've got to listen to more 285 00:13:20,410 --> 00:13:18,590 shows with people like Martin Willis who 286 00:13:22,660 --> 00:13:20,420 will bring people on who will talk about 287 00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:22,670 the kinds of things that have shown 288 00:13:28,780 --> 00:13:25,300 there has already been disclosure now 289 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:28,790 but on the other hand if people say well 290 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:31,610 the truth about UFOs is right around the 291 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:34,970 corner no I don't think so not in my 292 00:13:41,650 --> 00:13:37,730 lifetime at least because UFOs have been 293 00:13:44,860 --> 00:13:41,660 such a complex issue going way back in 294 00:13:47,650 --> 00:13:44,870 time historically that we 295 00:13:50,500 --> 00:13:47,660 don't know all the answers and I don't 296 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:50,510 think the countries of the world know 297 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:52,250 all the answers about what this thing is 298 00:13:57,610 --> 00:13:55,490 that's flying around in our skies but 299 00:13:59,710 --> 00:13:57,620 countries don't want to have to admit to 300 00:14:01,810 --> 00:13:59,720 their citizens that this is going on 301 00:14:03,850 --> 00:14:01,820 we're a little concerned about how it 302 00:14:06,130 --> 00:14:03,860 might affect our national security but 303 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:06,140 please go about your daily business go 304 00:14:09,700 --> 00:14:08,930 go live your daily lies and we'll take 305 00:14:12,100 --> 00:14:09,710 care of you 306 00:14:15,130 --> 00:14:12,110 now there's there's only been a handful 307 00:14:18,610 --> 00:14:15,140 of situations that there's a possible 308 00:14:21,070 --> 00:14:18,620 attribution to interference while 309 00:14:23,829 --> 00:14:21,080 someone was flying the one that you 310 00:14:26,410 --> 00:14:23,839 actually interviewed coin that had to do 311 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:26,420 with the military helicopter that's one 312 00:14:32,500 --> 00:14:30,770 the possible UFO encounter over 313 00:14:34,930 --> 00:14:32,510 Australia with the young kid that was a 314 00:14:39,670 --> 00:14:34,940 young pilot I can't think of the name of 315 00:14:41,950 --> 00:14:39,680 that one right now right yeah there's 316 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:41,960 that one and then there's just a handful 317 00:14:46,630 --> 00:14:44,930 of other situations that I can think of 318 00:14:48,310 --> 00:14:46,640 where there was actually interference 319 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:48,320 and a hell of a heck of a lot more 320 00:14:53,170 --> 00:14:51,410 sightings you know a military I mean 321 00:14:55,390 --> 00:14:53,180 flight sightings than there are that 322 00:14:57,850 --> 00:14:55,400 there was actually interference O'Hare 323 00:14:59,860 --> 00:14:57,860 was really one that should be noted as 324 00:15:03,820 --> 00:14:59,870 well because you know one of the busiest 325 00:15:06,970 --> 00:15:03,830 airports in the country and over gate 326 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:06,980 c-17 you know everyone's seeing the the 327 00:15:11,740 --> 00:15:08,690 objects sitting there and then shooting 328 00:15:14,980 --> 00:15:11,750 straight up right and I'm surprised that 329 00:15:17,620 --> 00:15:14,990 more people have not come forward at 330 00:15:21,310 --> 00:15:17,630 this point and talked about seeing that 331 00:15:24,300 --> 00:15:21,320 it's sold well well I think one reason 332 00:15:27,490 --> 00:15:24,310 Martin is a lot of people are afraid 333 00:15:29,769 --> 00:15:27,500 they don't want they don't want people 334 00:15:32,199 --> 00:15:29,779 to know that they've seen your clothes 335 00:15:34,810 --> 00:15:32,209 they're afraid of ridicule ridicule is 336 00:15:38,470 --> 00:15:34,820 still a very big factor in the whole UFO 337 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:38,480 world and I think you know instances 338 00:15:42,310 --> 00:15:40,700 like like what you just mentioned this 339 00:15:44,500 --> 00:15:42,320 is this circular craft that was seen 340 00:15:45,790 --> 00:15:44,510 over O'Hare Airport and then it when it 341 00:15:46,329 --> 00:15:45,800 shot straight up in the air through the 342 00:15:48,699 --> 00:15:46,339 clouds 343 00:15:52,329 --> 00:15:48,709 it left a circular hole through it and 344 00:15:54,190 --> 00:15:52,339 as it left and and there are other very 345 00:15:58,060 --> 00:15:54,200 good cases where there have been 346 00:15:58,690 --> 00:15:58,070 multiple eyewitnesses of UFOs during the 347 00:16:01,000 --> 00:15:58,700 day 348 00:16:03,190 --> 00:16:01,010 at night and people will say well you 349 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:03,200 know what why are so many people seeing 350 00:16:07,930 --> 00:16:05,050 these things and why are the UFOs 351 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:07,940 allowing themselves to be seen and I my 352 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:10,970 answer is I think they want to be seen I 353 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:13,490 think that they choose instances and 354 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:17,210 cases and places where they they know 355 00:16:21,790 --> 00:16:18,950 that they're being seen because how 356 00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:21,800 could they not know and then they fly 357 00:16:25,180 --> 00:16:23,600 away and you know they're gone and 358 00:16:27,550 --> 00:16:25,190 suddenly appears on the news it becomes 359 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,560 a point of discussion until the next 360 00:16:31,810 --> 00:16:29,120 time something like that happens I I 361 00:16:35,230 --> 00:16:31,820 think that whatever the agenda is of 362 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:35,240 whoever is operating the projector of 363 00:16:42,010 --> 00:16:39,050 this phenomenon it knows what it's doing 364 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:42,020 it's being very clever and people say 365 00:16:45,730 --> 00:16:43,880 why don't they just land on the White 366 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:45,740 House lawn or in front of the Kremlin 367 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:48,410 why should they what why should we ask 368 00:16:54,070 --> 00:16:50,930 them to do something that we want them 369 00:16:57,250 --> 00:16:54,080 to do when it's clearly not part of 370 00:17:00,130 --> 00:16:57,260 their plan their agenda all that we can 371 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:00,140 do is just to do what you tell people to 372 00:17:04,090 --> 00:17:01,730 do at the end of your show keep watching 373 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:04,100 the skies right right you actually 374 00:17:10,030 --> 00:17:05,570 listened all the way the end of a show 375 00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:10,040 once in a while hey so you also wanted 376 00:17:14,410 --> 00:17:11,720 to talk about a video that just came up 377 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:14,420 as well right unfortunately I didn't 378 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:18,730 have a time to load that on this idea 379 00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,010 about the many UFO pictures and videos 380 00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:24,079 that are that have posted all the time 381 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:26,510 on YouTube that look really good right 382 00:17:30,550 --> 00:17:28,520 yeah I've often said that you can take 383 00:17:32,410 --> 00:17:30,560 like a nine and ten-year-old boy or girl 384 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:32,420 who could sit at a computer and know how 385 00:17:39,250 --> 00:17:34,840 to do Photoshop and they can create an 386 00:17:40,510 --> 00:17:39,260 astonishingly real UFO video and post it 387 00:17:43,420 --> 00:17:40,520 up there and claim that this was the 388 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,430 real thing we see that all the time yeah 389 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:46,000 and and there are many sites up there 390 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:48,650 that claim that they're showing the best 391 00:17:54,250 --> 00:17:50,930 UFO footage on earth all the time and 392 00:17:55,630 --> 00:17:54,260 and there's one that that's been up 393 00:17:58,330 --> 00:17:55,640 there for a little while and it shows 394 00:17:59,890 --> 00:17:58,340 it's a very intriguing looking video 395 00:18:02,080 --> 00:17:59,900 well because why would they put it up 396 00:18:04,660 --> 00:18:02,090 there if it wasn't intriguing it shows a 397 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:04,670 very very clear clearly shows a large 398 00:18:12,580 --> 00:18:09,050 cigar shaped object looking vertical not 399 00:18:15,010 --> 00:18:12,590 horizontal hovering and then 400 00:18:17,769 --> 00:18:15,020 slowly lifting up in front of mountains 401 00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:17,779 over Lake Michigan now maybe it's a 402 00:18:21,159 --> 00:18:19,460 great looking video you see the lake you 403 00:18:23,380 --> 00:18:21,169 see the mountains you see this thing 404 00:18:26,860 --> 00:18:23,390 going up into the clouds the problem 405 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:26,870 though with this video as with so many 406 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:30,770 is that there are no confirming details 407 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:33,529 nothing's provided no names of witnesses 408 00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:36,770 of the exact location how they happen to 409 00:18:42,010 --> 00:18:39,710 be at this exact location at that moment 410 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:42,020 to capture this incredible you know 411 00:18:49,060 --> 00:18:46,520 miracle this amazing event on video too 412 00:18:53,139 --> 00:18:49,070 many dubious things but the problem is 413 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:53,149 Martin people get sucked into this then 414 00:18:59,200 --> 00:18:56,809 cuz they want to believe so badly that 415 00:19:01,659 --> 00:18:59,210 that we're being visited we're being 416 00:19:03,370 --> 00:19:01,669 visited by extraterrestrials and I don't 417 00:19:05,860 --> 00:19:03,380 I don't know if we're being visited by 418 00:19:08,350 --> 00:19:05,870 extraterrestrials we won't even say that 419 00:19:10,930 --> 00:19:08,360 or offer that up as a question in our 420 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:10,940 documentary all that we know for sure is 421 00:19:17,620 --> 00:19:13,820 that there's something going on and 422 00:19:20,019 --> 00:19:17,630 we're being visited by something okay so 423 00:19:21,549 --> 00:19:20,029 for the listener that wants to check 424 00:19:24,610 --> 00:19:21,559 that out since I couldn't put it up it's 425 00:19:27,779 --> 00:19:24,620 if you go into YouTube and you actually 426 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:27,789 type in huge UFO spotted in Michigan - 427 00:19:35,500 --> 00:19:30,490 USA exclamation exclamation exclamation 428 00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:35,510 April 2018 you will find that video yeah 429 00:19:41,710 --> 00:19:37,520 and you'll find many others - oh yeah 430 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:41,720 and yeah but believe believe as much as 431 00:19:47,019 --> 00:19:44,210 you want but but don't believe 432 00:19:49,419 --> 00:19:47,029 everything you hear it's very important 433 00:19:51,310 --> 00:19:49,429 when I do a presentation anywhere first 434 00:19:53,830 --> 00:19:51,320 thing I say to an audience is please 435 00:19:58,510 --> 00:19:53,840 don't believe anything I'm about to tell 436 00:20:00,250 --> 00:19:58,520 you because what do I really know other 437 00:20:02,919 --> 00:20:00,260 than what I've researched over a long 438 00:20:05,230 --> 00:20:02,929 period of time but I'm but I'm lucky to 439 00:20:09,490 --> 00:20:05,240 have had a chance to interview a lot of 440 00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:09,500 very well-placed high official people in 441 00:20:15,220 --> 00:20:12,080 the government and in the military and 442 00:20:18,370 --> 00:20:15,230 in science and so I come with to my 443 00:20:20,110 --> 00:20:18,380 opinion at least with some some working 444 00:20:22,899 --> 00:20:20,120 knowledge of what people out there are 445 00:20:25,980 --> 00:20:22,909 thinking who should be involved with the 446 00:20:28,260 --> 00:20:25,990 process of the investigation of it yeah 447 00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:28,270 said Lee it's always a pleasure and 448 00:20:31,740 --> 00:20:30,100 we'll have to have you we actually 449 00:20:34,110 --> 00:20:31,750 talked a little while ago about having 450 00:20:34,740 --> 00:20:34,120 you come back on I always loved having 451 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:34,750 you on the show 452 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:38,290 so sometime in May I'm booked out into 453 00:20:41,130 --> 00:20:40,000 May and it's sometime in there we'll 454 00:20:43,049 --> 00:20:41,140 look forward to having on for a full 455 00:20:47,100 --> 00:20:43,059 show thank you does this mean you're 456 00:20:50,010 --> 00:20:47,110 gonna fire Alejandro and put me on yeah 457 00:20:52,140 --> 00:20:50,020 I'll have to talk about that huh I'll 458 00:20:54,930 --> 00:20:52,150 pay you twice what I'm paying him how's 459 00:20:59,610 --> 00:20:54,940 that oh now we're talking the big bucks 460 00:21:02,700 --> 00:20:59,620 all right thanks a lot I'll talk to you 461 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:02,710 soon Lee take care all right okay 462 00:21:08,940 --> 00:21:06,010 everyone so that's it for the news the 463 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:08,950 updates and it was great really 464 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:10,570 appreciate Lee coming on and helping us 465 00:21:17,070 --> 00:21:13,210 out so our guests I'll tell you a little 466 00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:17,080 bit about him it's Mike Cleland 467 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:19,510 he's an avid outdoorsman he's an 468 00:21:25,980 --> 00:21:22,720 illustrator and a UFO researcher he's 469 00:21:28,410 --> 00:21:25,990 written extensively on alien abduction 470 00:21:29,220 --> 00:21:28,420 synchronicities and owls and that's kind 471 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:29,230 of what we're gonna be talking about 472 00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,410 synchronicities and owls quite a bit and 473 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:34,720 I have a story that actually tried to 474 00:21:38,940 --> 00:21:36,490 get him involved in would talk about 475 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:38,950 that a little bit too that was when I 476 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:41,290 was out in Arizona and he wasn't he was 477 00:21:47,070 --> 00:21:45,130 the other year before speaking and so I 478 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:47,080 actually believe I called him from 479 00:21:52,650 --> 00:21:50,170 Arizona and told him the story that like 480 00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:52,660 I said I will bring it up Mike welcome 481 00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,230 to the show again thank you so much good 482 00:22:01,640 --> 00:21:58,480 to have you back oh there's a mic mic is 483 00:22:04,260 --> 00:22:01,650 live yes the mic is live you are alive 484 00:22:05,580 --> 00:22:04,270 yeah and you know we are getting true 485 00:22:11,070 --> 00:22:05,590 what's that 486 00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:11,080 you fired Alejandro live online no no 487 00:22:17,130 --> 00:22:14,320 he'll be back next week so anyway we are 488 00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:17,140 having for the person that's audio is 489 00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:18,400 going to be great but we're having an 490 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:21,160 annoying flashing situation that's 491 00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:22,990 happening so we'll probably pull the 492 00:22:29,310 --> 00:22:27,400 audio off of you but it'll be video so 493 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:29,320 Evan if you wouldn't mind wanted to drop 494 00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,290 the video on on the Skype side so Mike 495 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:37,919 for the person that I think was back 496 00:22:42,690 --> 00:22:39,730 2014 I believe you are 497 00:22:44,490 --> 00:22:42,700 the show could you tell the listening 498 00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,500 audience I think it was that far back a 499 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:46,320 little bit about yourself 500 00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:48,610 yeah I'm not sure exactly when it was it 501 00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:49,870 might have been after the book came out 502 00:22:56,490 --> 00:22:52,840 but um but a little bit about myself yes 503 00:22:58,260 --> 00:22:56,500 I started doing the UFO research and so 504 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,270 there's no image of on my face right now 505 00:23:03,180 --> 00:23:00,400 right there is an image of you yes but 506 00:23:04,530 --> 00:23:03,190 you'reyou're not live okay okay yeah I 507 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:04,540 can like scratch my nose and stuff like 508 00:23:13,890 --> 00:23:10,900 that I uh I from personal experiences 509 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:13,900 starting around well in my youth 510 00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:15,490 certainly I had personal experiences 511 00:23:24,030 --> 00:23:19,900 with with what sure seems like UFO 512 00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:24,040 contact events missing time seeing what 513 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:25,990 I feel was a close-up UFO sighting and 514 00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:29,830 in a few other very telling things those 515 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:31,120 were all sort of simmering in the 516 00:23:37,890 --> 00:23:35,370 background in my life and then in 2006 I 517 00:23:39,030 --> 00:23:37,900 had an event which I think we talked 518 00:23:41,670 --> 00:23:39,040 about the last time I was on the show 519 00:23:43,020 --> 00:23:41,680 I'm sure we did but I'll say very quick 520 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:43,030 I had an event where I saw a bunch of 521 00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:47,170 owls the friend camping three owls all 522 00:23:52,770 --> 00:23:51,130 at once it was at a sort of prescient 523 00:23:54,090 --> 00:23:52,780 moment in the conversation so a little 524 00:23:56,250 --> 00:23:54,100 synchronistic moment there in the 525 00:24:00,330 --> 00:23:56,260 conversation she was talking about God 526 00:24:02,510 --> 00:24:00,340 and then BOOM these owls appeared four 527 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:02,520 days later her and I went camping again 528 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:05,530 three owls appeared at sunset flew 529 00:24:10,710 --> 00:24:08,050 around us landed near us it was the same 530 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:10,720 thing I mean they landed close to us it 531 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:14,710 was remarkable and it was very to have 532 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:16,210 it happen once was pretty cool to have 533 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:18,610 it happen twice kind of freaked me out 534 00:24:24,210 --> 00:24:21,730 so what it did for me is it made me 535 00:24:25,860 --> 00:24:24,220 start questioning this owl thing you 536 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:25,870 know like I was looking up owl totems 537 00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:27,970 and I was looking about mythology and I 538 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:30,160 was looking up a whole folklore and also 539 00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:32,170 in conjunction with the UFO stuff one of 540 00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:33,520 the things that happened I did not talk 541 00:24:36,930 --> 00:24:34,990 about it at the time and what would have 542 00:24:38,130 --> 00:24:36,940 been just embarrassing and my that point 543 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:38,140 in my life I talk about it all the time 544 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:41,490 now my life has changed enormously I 545 00:24:45,630 --> 00:24:43,810 said to my sire voice in my head 546 00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,640 basically both times seeing those owls 547 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:48,640 close up landing near us landing on 548 00:24:52,590 --> 00:24:50,200 trees swooping down right above our head 549 00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:52,600 for hours it felt like 550 00:24:59,010 --> 00:24:56,620 I had the very clear voice in my head 551 00:25:02,040 --> 00:24:59,020 say this has something to do with the 552 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:02,050 UFOs and from that point on I just 553 00:25:07,470 --> 00:25:04,420 started asking folks hey do you have any 554 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:07,480 any odd experiences and it's not a 555 00:25:11,460 --> 00:25:09,430 hundred percent of people but but enough 556 00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:11,470 that there's a pattern would say you 557 00:25:15,210 --> 00:25:13,600 know no one's ever told me that no one's 558 00:25:17,550 --> 00:25:15,220 ever asked that question yeah I hear a 559 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:17,560 lot so you story bottles and I started 560 00:25:23,100 --> 00:25:19,750 collecting these stories and I put him 561 00:25:26,370 --> 00:25:23,110 online and little by little I collected 562 00:25:28,020 --> 00:25:26,380 a lot of them and then I I so there came 563 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:28,030 a point I was posting on my site and I 564 00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,290 wrote a little essay and I've since 565 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:31,840 written two books but at a certain point 566 00:25:37,260 --> 00:25:33,400 this is even years ago this was very 567 00:25:40,350 --> 00:25:37,270 clear if you googled UFOs if you went on 568 00:25:42,270 --> 00:25:40,360 Google and googled UFO owl I was the 569 00:25:43,650 --> 00:25:42,280 first thing that came up and I was also 570 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:43,660 about the next 12 things that came up 571 00:25:50,220 --> 00:25:46,570 under that and so anyone if you're in 572 00:25:53,370 --> 00:25:50,230 you know New Zealand or Finland or or 573 00:25:54,990 --> 00:25:53,380 New Jersey and you see an owl and a UFO 574 00:25:58,290 --> 00:25:55,000 in conjunction with each other in some 575 00:26:00,060 --> 00:25:58,300 form you will find me and I have been 576 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:00,070 trying to get back to everyone it's 577 00:26:03,330 --> 00:26:01,570 impossible I'm getting hit with so many 578 00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:03,340 people but I have been collecting and 579 00:26:07,970 --> 00:26:04,720 archiving these stories and they've been 580 00:26:10,650 --> 00:26:07,980 the genesis of the to book projects the 581 00:26:12,450 --> 00:26:10,660 book one book came out in 2015 in the 582 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:12,460 follow up book just came out last month 583 00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,890 a little over a month ago so as promised 584 00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:16,720 I want to just tell the story - I have 585 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:20,260 told this story before on the show so do 586 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:21,850 you do remember when I contacted you 587 00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:23,650 when I was out in Arizona yes you did 588 00:26:26,790 --> 00:26:25,270 over email and I think we had then we 589 00:26:28,020 --> 00:26:26,800 talked about it on the show I think I 590 00:26:28,350 --> 00:26:28,030 can't remember we might have no but it 591 00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,360 later 592 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:30,640 that was a that was after you were on my 593 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:33,130 show okay yeah you are my show prior to 594 00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:35,650 that so basically what happened was uh I 595 00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:38,860 was you know the setting over there the 596 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:40,990 beautiful setting and the resort and 597 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:44,310 then there's a casino I was over at the 598 00:26:49,860 --> 00:26:47,290 casino walking my dog and there was a 599 00:26:51,150 --> 00:26:49,870 girl outside smoking cigarette and she 600 00:26:52,770 --> 00:26:51,160 said to me hey what's going on over 601 00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:52,780 there and I said well it's a UFO 602 00:26:58,770 --> 00:26:55,150 conference and she goes really and I 603 00:27:00,840 --> 00:26:58,780 said yeah and so she said wow she's I 604 00:27:03,180 --> 00:27:00,850 should check it out and I said oh you 605 00:27:06,030 --> 00:27:03,190 have an interest and she goes well I had 606 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:06,040 a sighting and so I'm always excited 607 00:27:09,180 --> 00:27:06,490 when 608 00:27:11,190 --> 00:27:09,190 says that so as the police tell me about 609 00:27:15,060 --> 00:27:11,200 it so basically what happened she was 610 00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:15,070 she was a passenger in a car and she 611 00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:16,660 said it was a small small car I don't 612 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:17,950 know why she told me that but I remember 613 00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:20,740 her saying there is significance to that 614 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:24,700 so she said she was a passenger and they 615 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:27,760 went past eight I think she called it 616 00:27:33,150 --> 00:27:29,410 something else but what it really means 617 00:27:35,549 --> 00:27:33,160 it's like a Mesa and they saw this big 618 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:35,559 like shadow thing coming off the Mesa 619 00:27:41,070 --> 00:27:38,050 and up through the sunroof they could 620 00:27:43,710 --> 00:27:41,080 see it was some type of craft so her 621 00:27:46,380 --> 00:27:43,720 friend just said let's get the heck out 622 00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:46,390 of here and stepped on it and she said 623 00:27:50,669 --> 00:27:47,920 they were going you know really really 624 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:50,679 fast maybe over a hundred for quite a 625 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:53,190 while trying to outrun the thing and 626 00:27:59,180 --> 00:27:56,290 then she said it it just disappeared and 627 00:28:01,799 --> 00:27:59,190 then she was all done with her story and 628 00:28:04,049 --> 00:28:01,809 and then she goes you know the craziest 629 00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:04,059 thing about the whole thing and I said 630 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:07,390 what she goes to this huge owl just 631 00:28:12,780 --> 00:28:10,210 appeared after we stopped and came right 632 00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:12,790 down at the car and she says biggest 633 00:28:18,330 --> 00:28:15,790 Iowa live ever saw and that's when I 634 00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:18,340 that's when I contacted you I said wow I 635 00:28:22,830 --> 00:28:21,100 loved it because it was a story of 636 00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:22,840 someone that doesn't really you know 637 00:28:26,490 --> 00:28:24,220 they're not on the inside of the UFO 638 00:28:28,140 --> 00:28:26,500 field in any type of way and just had no 639 00:28:30,810 --> 00:28:28,150 real interest in the topic and had that 640 00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:30,820 experience yeah I remember you and I did 641 00:28:33,690 --> 00:28:32,380 a little bit of treadle legwork trying 642 00:28:35,460 --> 00:28:33,700 to find her and I wanted to hear that 643 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,470 story directly but we never I never got 644 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:37,360 a hold of her directly well I got her 645 00:28:41,730 --> 00:28:38,770 email address but she never responded 646 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,740 basically uh she's just just like a lot 647 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:42,880 of people are they're afraid to talk 648 00:28:46,890 --> 00:28:45,400 about a situation like that well then 649 00:28:48,810 --> 00:28:46,900 and the point is that yes it is crazy 650 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:48,820 it's absolutely absurd that there would 651 00:28:53,790 --> 00:28:50,890 be an owl but the thing is it that that 652 00:28:56,430 --> 00:28:53,800 story is not uncommon that is very 653 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:56,440 common there's many ways to look at it 654 00:29:00,990 --> 00:28:58,090 whether it's a screen memory sort of 655 00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:01,000 some sort of projection that's put into 656 00:29:06,299 --> 00:29:03,580 their mind or it's a real owl now for me 657 00:29:08,010 --> 00:29:06,309 I almost find the real owl stories more 658 00:29:10,260 --> 00:29:08,020 interesting than the projections then 659 00:29:12,780 --> 00:29:10,270 the the thought of a screen memory the 660 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:12,790 fact that there might be a real owl that 661 00:29:18,150 --> 00:29:16,690 somehow shows up magically I don't know 662 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:18,160 you know how why would the owl show up I 663 00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:20,410 mean this is not the realm of the UFO 664 00:29:23,529 --> 00:29:20,840 invest 665 00:29:25,659 --> 00:29:23,539 anymore this is almost the realm of the 666 00:29:26,710 --> 00:29:25,669 Native American medicine man or 667 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:26,720 something like that they would know the 668 00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:29,330 folklore and the spirit lore of the owl 669 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:33,260 and why it would be seen at such a such 670 00:29:39,549 --> 00:29:37,610 a prescient moment right right oh by the 671 00:29:41,169 --> 00:29:39,559 way just just wanted to let you know 672 00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:41,179 someone emailed me or send me a message 673 00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:45,169 today Donna I know she met you she's 674 00:29:50,140 --> 00:29:47,809 down from the Cape I'll listen to the 675 00:29:54,190 --> 00:29:50,150 show she's been on the show before Donna 676 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:54,200 said she she saw an owl this morning 677 00:29:59,490 --> 00:29:55,490 next thing you know she got my email 678 00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,710 you remember that yes you and I met in 679 00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:04,880 person in experienced peak conference 680 00:30:08,380 --> 00:30:07,220 and and I got just given why I think I 681 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:08,390 was the one of the first presenters that 682 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:12,230 morning and then you kind of just 683 00:30:15,399 --> 00:30:13,850 offhandedly say oh yeah I saw an owl 684 00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:15,409 this morning or heard oh I got to tell 685 00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,630 you what happened first of all I had no 686 00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:20,000 idea who the speakers were I had no idea 687 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:21,590 who you were and that you were gonna 688 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:25,570 talk about owls and that night before 689 00:30:30,990 --> 00:30:28,850 before that conference in Maine I woke 690 00:30:33,220 --> 00:30:31,000 up to an owl right outside my window and 691 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:33,230 that's only happened I mean I've heard 692 00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:34,730 the owl around here but he's never been 693 00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:37,100 that he was right next to my window that 694 00:30:41,529 --> 00:30:39,260 night and next thing you know we're 695 00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:41,539 talking about owls but I I swear to God 696 00:30:44,860 --> 00:30:43,340 I didn't see a UFO or had it I didn't 697 00:30:47,049 --> 00:30:44,870 have any type of an eye I know who knows 698 00:30:49,149 --> 00:30:47,059 who knows that that's the issue isn't it 699 00:30:53,409 --> 00:30:49,159 yeah it's Christ there's a mystery here 700 00:30:57,639 --> 00:30:53,419 yeah so yeah so you you felt it 701 00:31:00,250 --> 00:30:57,649 necessary to do like an additional book 702 00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:00,260 because all these stories just kept 703 00:31:04,930 --> 00:31:03,260 piling in right well the premise of the 704 00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:04,940 first book was that I was trying to make 705 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:06,260 an argument and I'm not on camera I 706 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:07,250 could hold the book up and everything 707 00:31:14,289 --> 00:31:08,570 but I can't do that now 708 00:31:16,510 --> 00:31:14,299 I was I was trying to articulate I was 709 00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:16,520 so this was the first book of its kind 710 00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:18,260 in a way and I knew that going into it 711 00:31:25,149 --> 00:31:20,390 so I felt like you know like I got a I 712 00:31:27,340 --> 00:31:25,159 got a make sure I make a forceful 713 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:27,350 argument and so the book is thick it's 714 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:28,880 off it's 400 pages long and there was 715 00:31:33,399 --> 00:31:30,890 extra stuff left over but what happened 716 00:31:34,810 --> 00:31:33,409 was there's story after story after 717 00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:34,820 story documented in there 718 00:31:39,490 --> 00:31:37,190 I would I would discuss dreams and I 719 00:31:42,669 --> 00:31:39,500 would just discuss shamanic initiation 720 00:31:46,180 --> 00:31:42,679 and I sort of strayed from the core UFO 721 00:31:47,710 --> 00:31:46,190 thing and and and addressed a lot of 722 00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,720 other things but it was mostly a 723 00:31:51,539 --> 00:31:49,519 collection of stories there's just story 724 00:31:53,889 --> 00:31:51,549 after story after story in that book and 725 00:31:55,570 --> 00:31:53,899 what I needed to do was edit him down 726 00:31:57,460 --> 00:31:55,580 right so I'm trying to make a point and 727 00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:57,470 I'm telling three different stories and 728 00:32:00,820 --> 00:31:59,090 comparing and contrasting the 729 00:32:05,379 --> 00:32:00,830 similarities of several stories in each 730 00:32:06,999 --> 00:32:05,389 little segment and I was left I was left 731 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:07,009 a sort of heartbroken because I talked 732 00:32:09,399 --> 00:32:08,210 to these folks you know you'd have a 733 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:09,409 long conversation with folks and you 734 00:32:14,409 --> 00:32:10,970 talked to him about these experiences 735 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:14,419 and and they have a like oh there's like 736 00:32:18,369 --> 00:32:16,610 a huge novel like waiting to be written 737 00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:18,379 about a lot of people who have had these 738 00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:21,289 contact experiences and it just broke my 739 00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:23,000 heart to say well this person you know 740 00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,559 was driving their car they saw an owl 741 00:32:28,450 --> 00:32:26,480 and they saw a UFO you know next and 742 00:32:29,980 --> 00:32:28,460 when there was so much more to the story 743 00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:29,990 so the point of the second book the 744 00:32:34,990 --> 00:32:32,600 follow-up book there's 19 set there's 19 745 00:32:37,629 --> 00:32:35,000 chapters each chapter reads like a short 746 00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:37,639 story so there's 19 separate short 747 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:42,320 stories each each one where I tell these 748 00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,450 stories in the depth that I felt they 749 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,320 need and there's a kind of absurd 750 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:50,480 quality to some of these stories and I 751 00:32:54,220 --> 00:32:52,610 wanted to make sure to include all the 752 00:32:57,580 --> 00:32:54,230 details so I didn't have to worry about 753 00:32:59,289 --> 00:32:57,590 and the end I am I'm so happy that I did 754 00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:59,299 the second book because it broke my 755 00:33:03,580 --> 00:33:01,730 heart to edit out so much so I told a 756 00:33:08,019 --> 00:33:03,590 bunch of stories I felt like I told them 757 00:33:10,389 --> 00:33:08,029 very thoroughly and and really examined 758 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:10,399 the the nuances and sort of the outlying 759 00:33:17,860 --> 00:33:13,090 strangeness of some of these experiences 760 00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:17,870 well and can you tell us some of the 761 00:33:24,629 --> 00:33:21,440 stories I sure can I got the book right 762 00:33:28,299 --> 00:33:24,639 here um there's a few that I tell 763 00:33:30,249 --> 00:33:28,309 consistently let me um yeah tell us one 764 00:33:31,299 --> 00:33:30,259 that you hadn't told ya there's okay 765 00:33:32,499 --> 00:33:31,309 there's one that I haven't told this and 766 00:33:33,909 --> 00:33:32,509 there's a chapter called owls and 767 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:33,919 healing and the woman she's using her 768 00:33:38,769 --> 00:33:35,980 full name her name is Laura Bruno and 769 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:38,779 she is presently working as a healer she 770 00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,240 does like hands on energy healing and 771 00:33:46,669 --> 00:33:42,960 Reiki and 772 00:33:48,769 --> 00:33:46,679 and intuitive healing work and I know it 773 00:33:50,180 --> 00:33:48,779 sounds on some level where's lease 774 00:33:51,469 --> 00:33:50,190 vehicle I was gonna chime in here it 775 00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:51,479 sounds a little flaky it sounds like 776 00:33:54,919 --> 00:33:53,129 it's right on that sort of more new-agey 777 00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,929 edge of the on that side of the 778 00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:56,399 conference room at the at the UFO 779 00:34:01,060 --> 00:33:58,289 conference where we're all those that 780 00:34:06,019 --> 00:34:01,070 you know but this woman is a very 781 00:34:10,460 --> 00:34:06,029 grounded trustworthy person i'm i just i 782 00:34:12,619 --> 00:34:10,470 have full trust in her story she had an 783 00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,629 experience where she was working in the 784 00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:14,879 corporate world and she was gonna quit 785 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:18,599 and go back to school to be a english 786 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:21,690 professor so she was she knew she was 787 00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:22,889 gonna go back to school she was already 788 00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:24,179 to go back to school to get her I think 789 00:34:29,899 --> 00:34:27,419 her master's degree in English 790 00:34:31,669 --> 00:34:29,909 literature and there was a voice she had 791 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:31,679 a consistent voice in her head that said 792 00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:33,510 you know if this is not your path you 793 00:34:38,419 --> 00:34:35,849 need to be doing energy work you need to 794 00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:38,429 be doing energy healing work and she 795 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:40,379 said how hood what and so there was she 796 00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:41,970 woke up one morning and she felt that 797 00:34:46,279 --> 00:34:44,190 she was basically told you're gonna get 798 00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,289 into car accident today and she said 799 00:34:50,180 --> 00:34:48,480 okay make it happen and at lunchtime 800 00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:50,190 that day she got into a severe car 801 00:34:54,139 --> 00:34:51,990 accident and it had a traumatic brain 802 00:34:56,720 --> 00:34:54,149 injury that was so bad that she lost her 803 00:35:01,760 --> 00:34:56,730 ability to read so you couldn't read 804 00:35:04,750 --> 00:35:01,770 anyone it and so she um did her 805 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:04,760 convalescence at her parents house and 806 00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:06,930 she sat in the yard at her parents house 807 00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:10,680 and there was an owl that would sit with 808 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:11,609 her every day 809 00:35:14,359 --> 00:35:13,049 her parents were off at work and there 810 00:35:15,769 --> 00:35:14,369 was a day when her mom who actually 811 00:35:18,829 --> 00:35:15,779 collected owls and this is something a 812 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:18,839 very curious detail but I have so many 813 00:35:21,769 --> 00:35:20,490 accounts where someone will say yeah 814 00:35:23,779 --> 00:35:21,779 I've got all these weird experiences and 815 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:23,789 oh yeah my mom collected owls we had all 816 00:35:27,170 --> 00:35:25,410 knickknacks all over the house that's 817 00:35:28,910 --> 00:35:27,180 not too uncommon to have all knickknacks 818 00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:28,920 but it's kind of weird though how it 819 00:35:33,890 --> 00:35:31,140 shows up so Laura's mother had a little 820 00:35:37,819 --> 00:35:33,900 knick knacks all over the house so the 821 00:35:39,529 --> 00:35:37,829 owl was there as part of her healing and 822 00:35:40,910 --> 00:35:39,539 her mom was there one morning and on a 823 00:35:43,309 --> 00:35:40,920 Saturday in a weekend and said Laura 824 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:43,319 that's an owl in the tree said yeah it's 825 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:45,450 my friend he's here every day said well 826 00:35:48,349 --> 00:35:46,770 why didn't you tell me and she was like 827 00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,359 I am he almost didn't believe it was 828 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:51,180 real so this owl hung out in his and 829 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:52,890 when Laura left after she got better or 830 00:35:58,370 --> 00:35:55,890 two enough to where she could start to 831 00:36:02,240 --> 00:35:58,380 live on her own again 832 00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:02,250 she uh you know they all was gone now 833 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:05,200 her story goes on and on and on and 834 00:36:14,550 --> 00:36:08,680 there's so many strange twists and turns 835 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:14,560 and life changes and and also during the 836 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:16,810 process of writing it it really felt 837 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:18,610 like I befriended her and she was going 838 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:20,050 through these life issues you know so 839 00:36:22,650 --> 00:36:21,130 the book would project was about two 840 00:36:24,060 --> 00:36:22,660 years long so I met her at the beginning 841 00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:24,070 of it and I finished up her story at the 842 00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:25,540 end of it and it was one of those things 843 00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:26,800 where the story's all done and we're 844 00:36:29,550 --> 00:36:28,270 like Oh more stuff is going on and her 845 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:29,560 life forgot to add this new a little bit 846 00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:31,690 here and a little bit there but she had 847 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,230 these amazing experiences and and the so 848 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:36,880 here's a healer she's working as a 849 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:38,650 healer which is very common and most of 850 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:39,850 the people in the book are doing some 851 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:41,410 sort of healing work whether they're 852 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:43,210 working as a Reiki therapist or whether 853 00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:46,210 they working as a shaman or whether 854 00:36:53,870 --> 00:36:48,250 they're working as a registered nurse in 855 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:53,880 a hospital setting so so her story 856 00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:56,050 that's there's a lot more to it than 857 00:37:00,450 --> 00:36:57,760 just that but that was the the vibe of 858 00:37:04,860 --> 00:37:00,460 it that there's this this deeper layer 859 00:37:09,390 --> 00:37:04,870 that in these stories that that needs to 860 00:37:12,090 --> 00:37:09,400 be told more fully right I see and as 861 00:37:13,620 --> 00:37:12,100 far as I would show here I'll just like 862 00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:13,630 when I gets to the UFO thing yes she did 863 00:37:20,660 --> 00:37:15,880 have UFO experiences so she was he was 864 00:37:22,770 --> 00:37:20,670 she was driving with her with her um I 865 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:22,780 realized I was thinking as I was like I 866 00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:25,210 gotta get the UFO things yeah so she was 867 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:26,920 driving with her it was a young girl she 868 00:37:31,110 --> 00:37:29,050 was driving to go to a swim meet with 869 00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:31,120 her friends and her friend's parent was 870 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:33,430 driving the car and they were driving 871 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:36,190 along there was this hovering silvery 872 00:37:41,130 --> 00:37:38,290 disc above a farmer's field like right 873 00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:41,140 alongside the car and they were she says 874 00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:43,060 it was remarkable they were all so bland 875 00:37:48,030 --> 00:37:46,480 they were like oh that's a UFO just 876 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:48,040 totally bland about it which is one of 877 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:49,660 those things you get these odd reactions 878 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:51,250 and then so collectively everyone in the 879 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:53,770 car had this complete blank sensation 880 00:37:57,810 --> 00:37:55,570 about it it was summertime her arm was 881 00:37:59,370 --> 00:37:57,820 hanging out of the car and for reason 882 00:38:02,040 --> 00:37:59,380 she doesn't understand there was a freak 883 00:38:03,660 --> 00:38:02,050 lightning bolt strike and it struck 884 00:38:05,460 --> 00:38:03,670 right next to the car she said it was 885 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:05,470 six feet away from her hand and she 886 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:07,930 didn't have feeling in her hand for 887 00:38:10,650 --> 00:38:08,350 weeks 888 00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:10,660 Wow this is the hand she 889 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:14,560 now uses to do her energy work so oh wow 890 00:38:20,070 --> 00:38:18,010 bizarre huh yes very strange and and I 891 00:38:22,170 --> 00:38:20,080 have heard a number of times where 892 00:38:24,990 --> 00:38:22,180 people have had an encounter and they 893 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:25,000 kind of say the same thing like it's you 894 00:38:31,530 --> 00:38:28,450 know people got bored with it you know 895 00:38:34,050 --> 00:38:31,540 there was a someone in Russia that had 896 00:38:37,290 --> 00:38:34,060 this sighting they could that looked 897 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:37,300 like a washing machine spinning and it 898 00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:39,490 was above the houses and this in this 899 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:42,190 town and people stared at it for like 900 00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:43,690 hours and everyone just kind of went 901 00:38:47,790 --> 00:38:45,460 inside and forgot about it you know I 902 00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:47,800 mean people get yes these odd reactions 903 00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,630 are part of it yeah so if you don't get 904 00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:51,280 those out reactions I'm almost a little 905 00:39:00,270 --> 00:38:57,760 skeptical you know yeah so what do you 906 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:00,280 you said just a few minutes ago that you 907 00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:02,050 think it would be more interesting if 908 00:39:08,010 --> 00:39:05,140 their bowels but do our people actually 909 00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:08,020 I do have some questions actually and 910 00:39:10,770 --> 00:39:09,250 there would be questions coming up in 911 00:39:13,860 --> 00:39:10,780 the chat room as well plus we're gonna 912 00:39:16,260 --> 00:39:13,870 take calls a little bit later on but do 913 00:39:20,100 --> 00:39:16,270 people think that you know if they're 914 00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:20,110 being abducted they see an owl - I mean 915 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:22,120 are there experiences I mean there was 916 00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:23,710 that was quite a bit of what you wrote 917 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:26,230 on right well there's you know what I 918 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:28,930 did in the first book I addressed the 919 00:39:32,850 --> 00:39:30,730 screen memory aspect and anyone who's 920 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:32,860 listening to a UFO podcast thing like 921 00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:34,450 this probably knows what a screen memory 922 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:36,340 is I'll try to so what it's very common 923 00:39:39,930 --> 00:39:37,750 and this is something I've heard many 924 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:39,940 times someone's driving down a lonely 925 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:42,610 road at night and they alt here's one 926 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:43,750 story this is a great story so guys 927 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:45,430 driving down the road at night and I met 928 00:39:50,220 --> 00:39:48,490 him at a UFO abductees support group he 929 00:39:52,380 --> 00:39:50,230 was in there and he was everyone was 930 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:52,390 this is at the at the Laughlin 931 00:39:55,980 --> 00:39:54,610 conference was held in Laughlin and he 932 00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:55,990 was very quiet and sort of sat in the 933 00:39:58,620 --> 00:39:57,250 corner and didn't do anything and 934 00:40:00,510 --> 00:39:58,630 finally at the end of the you know it's 935 00:40:02,340 --> 00:40:00,520 like kind of a two-hour like Alcoholics 936 00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:02,350 Anonymous meeting in a way and at the 937 00:40:06,060 --> 00:40:04,060 end of it he kind of timidly raises his 938 00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:06,070 hand and says I have a question has 939 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:08,260 anyone in the room here ever had any odd 940 00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:11,410 experiences with owls and he about fell 941 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:12,640 out of his chair when everyone in the 942 00:40:16,650 --> 00:40:14,650 room including me raised their hand and 943 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:16,660 and he and he told the story where he 944 00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:17,770 was driving down the road at night it 945 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:19,540 was a big owl standing on the side of 946 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:20,130 the road 947 00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:22,150 he pulls right up to it and rolls his 948 00:40:24,090 --> 00:40:23,440 window down his driver's side window 949 00:40:26,580 --> 00:40:24,100 looks right 950 00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:26,590 he's right next to it and says his 951 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:28,300 four-foot-tall he says he gets this 952 00:40:32,580 --> 00:40:30,610 really bad feeling he says oh I gotta 953 00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:32,590 get out of here and later he goes to 954 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:35,920 take some photographs of a about Nowels 955 00:40:46,770 --> 00:40:44,530 nest so he he he realizes looking at 956 00:40:48,750 --> 00:40:46,780 these real owls that that wasn't an owl 957 00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:48,760 I saw that night on the side of the road 958 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:50,980 and he went through hypnotic regression 959 00:40:54,240 --> 00:40:52,330 and the only thing that came up in 960 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:54,250 hypnosis was that the owl was wearing 961 00:40:59,940 --> 00:40:58,210 boots yeah so so the implication is now 962 00:41:01,290 --> 00:40:59,950 what is very common and I've you know 963 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:01,300 read the transcript and actually listen 964 00:41:04,530 --> 00:41:02,650 to recordings where the hypnotherapist 965 00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,540 will say you know to someone like will 966 00:41:09,450 --> 00:41:06,640 describe the owl that's in the road and 967 00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:09,460 the person will say well the owl has big 968 00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:11,470 black eyes it's bald it's got a little 969 00:41:15,450 --> 00:41:13,480 skinny body it's got a shiny uniform on 970 00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:15,460 and they're describing the sort of 971 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:17,950 prototypical grey alien in the road 972 00:41:20,670 --> 00:41:20,170 rather than the owl there remember an 973 00:41:22,020 --> 00:41:20,680 owl 974 00:41:24,540 --> 00:41:22,030 they have the perception of seeing an 975 00:41:26,070 --> 00:41:24,550 owl so somehow there's a projection into 976 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:26,080 the mind of the observer I don't 977 00:41:29,850 --> 00:41:27,430 understand how it happens or why it 978 00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:29,860 happens but that is very common it's not 979 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:32,260 always owls it's deer and raccoons and 980 00:41:38,690 --> 00:41:36,670 clowns show up a lot so these but the 981 00:41:41,100 --> 00:41:38,700 owl seems to be the the far and away 982 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:41,110 within the lead as far as the one that's 983 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:44,770 the most reported so that would be the 984 00:41:48,210 --> 00:41:46,810 screen memories so that would so there's 985 00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:48,220 the implication that if there's a hidden 986 00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:51,400 abduction event and that's unremembered 987 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:53,110 some sort of amnesia the same way they 988 00:41:56,910 --> 00:41:55,240 have the psychic power to to zap the 989 00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:56,920 observer and make them see an owl they 990 00:42:00,450 --> 00:41:58,780 can somehow create an amnesia 991 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:00,460 environment where the the person simply 992 00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:01,690 doesn't remember if they get home and 993 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:03,430 like why am i home two hours late that 994 00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:05,350 doesn't make any sense at all the 995 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:06,520 implication is that something else 996 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:08,410 happened at the hands of these UFO 997 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:11,410 occupants and honestly that's the part 998 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:12,970 that I I kind of brushed over that 999 00:42:17,250 --> 00:42:14,890 there's this big thick book there's no 1000 00:42:19,530 --> 00:42:17,260 people inside the craft for the most 1001 00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:19,540 part no memories of being on a table and 1002 00:42:22,350 --> 00:42:20,920 things like that that show up in either 1003 00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:22,360 of these books I was much more 1004 00:42:25,860 --> 00:42:24,250 interested in the lives of these people 1005 00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:25,870 and the the sort of Airy human 1006 00:42:30,540 --> 00:42:27,730 experiences that that they were 1007 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:30,550 confronted with um now the stranger 1008 00:42:34,380 --> 00:42:32,560 thing would be the real owl right like 1009 00:42:35,610 --> 00:42:34,390 that's very common I mean people take 1010 00:42:37,499 --> 00:42:35,620 pictures of them I get them all the time 1011 00:42:40,139 --> 00:42:37,509 like you know like oh I had this you 1012 00:42:41,999 --> 00:42:40,149 no contact experience and like you know 1013 00:42:43,889 --> 00:42:42,009 like I was I came home and there was an 1014 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:43,899 owl that just started living on my porch 1015 00:42:47,729 --> 00:42:46,209 or that was living in my garage and I 1016 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:47,739 get a lot of pictures of people who've 1017 00:42:52,769 --> 00:42:50,529 you know claimed tell me very tell me 1018 00:42:54,359 --> 00:42:52,779 their contact experiences and then they 1019 00:42:56,099 --> 00:42:54,369 follow up by sending here's a picture I 1020 00:42:57,779 --> 00:42:56,109 took I was like four feet away from this 1021 00:42:59,189 --> 00:42:57,789 owl and it's a big owl right on the back 1022 00:43:02,189 --> 00:42:59,199 porch and they walked right up to it 1023 00:43:04,829 --> 00:43:02,199 took its picture in the dark so weird 1024 00:43:06,029 --> 00:43:04,839 well it's very strange yes so I don't 1025 00:43:07,889 --> 00:43:06,039 know quite what to make of it yeah so 1026 00:43:10,469 --> 00:43:07,899 I'll showing up that's on the simplest 1027 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:10,479 level owls showing up at the home of 1028 00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:12,249 someone who's having contact events is 1029 00:43:16,889 --> 00:43:15,519 in my opinion normal and it's obviously 1030 00:43:18,269 --> 00:43:16,899 not a hundred percent of the people who 1031 00:43:21,289 --> 00:43:18,279 have these experiences but it's enough 1032 00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,299 that there's a very strange side of this 1033 00:43:27,569 --> 00:43:24,880 now we had some questions come in from a 1034 00:43:30,659 --> 00:43:27,579 kari who's often sends questions to 1035 00:43:32,279 --> 00:43:30,669 different guests we have do you know if 1036 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:32,289 there are different types of animals 1037 00:43:35,629 --> 00:43:33,130 being reported 1038 00:43:39,689 --> 00:43:35,639 coinciding with UFO interactions 1039 00:43:40,889 --> 00:43:39,699 depending on what parts of the world you 1040 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:40,899 know I can't say depending on what parts 1041 00:43:45,029 --> 00:43:42,609 of the world I suspect that you wouldn't 1042 00:43:48,749 --> 00:43:45,039 see penguins in you know the Sudan but 1043 00:43:52,169 --> 00:43:48,759 but there's certainly a lot of animals 1044 00:43:54,179 --> 00:43:52,179 yes owls deer are the first two animals 1045 00:43:55,649 --> 00:43:54,189 on the list then raccoons and cats and 1046 00:43:57,479 --> 00:43:55,659 squirrels actually show up a lot of 1047 00:44:00,089 --> 00:43:57,489 people say I saw four foot tall squirrel 1048 00:44:05,399 --> 00:44:00,099 looking in my window that's that's not 1049 00:44:06,929 --> 00:44:05,409 unusual so I do remember nothing about 1050 00:44:09,179 --> 00:44:06,939 the deer I've heard people talk about 1051 00:44:12,029 --> 00:44:09,189 deer before ear is very common you know 1052 00:44:14,099 --> 00:44:12,039 so deers also vary so both owls and deer 1053 00:44:15,859 --> 00:44:14,109 are both very mythic animals they show 1054 00:44:19,229 --> 00:44:15,869 up in folklore they show up in mythology 1055 00:44:20,969 --> 00:44:19,239 so you know if you pull on that thread 1056 00:44:23,279 --> 00:44:20,979 right like what does it really mean 1057 00:44:24,689 --> 00:44:23,289 what's the spirit animal what's the 1058 00:44:26,069 --> 00:44:24,699 spirit meaning of a deer what's the 1059 00:44:28,289 --> 00:44:26,079 spirit meaning of an owl you pull on 1060 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:28,299 that thread it's it's fruitful right 1061 00:44:32,729 --> 00:44:30,130 it's like as an investigator as a as 1062 00:44:36,839 --> 00:44:32,739 someone who's really like for myself I'm 1063 00:44:38,429 --> 00:44:36,849 like invested in trying to look at this 1064 00:44:40,439 --> 00:44:38,439 from as many angles as I can possibly 1065 00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:40,449 try to look at it this has been exciting 1066 00:44:44,519 --> 00:44:43,209 and fun work to go down those avenues 1067 00:44:47,209 --> 00:44:44,529 where I don't think an MUFON 1068 00:44:49,799 --> 00:44:47,219 investigator would look up the you know 1069 00:44:51,079 --> 00:44:49,809 spirit lower of the deer if someone said 1070 00:44:55,069 --> 00:44:51,089 they saw a deer in the road just before 1071 00:44:59,329 --> 00:44:55,079 a UFO Fox actually show up too well 1072 00:45:01,630 --> 00:44:59,339 so do you actually to actually talk with 1073 00:45:04,729 --> 00:45:01,640 people from different countries as well 1074 00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:04,739 that have the same experience they have 1075 00:45:11,390 --> 00:45:09,690 to speak English yes I've talked to many 1076 00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:11,400 many people a lot of the correspondences 1077 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:12,930 over email but I certainly talk on the 1078 00:45:15,170 --> 00:45:14,430 phone and talk on skype a lot with folks 1079 00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:15,180 yep 1080 00:45:18,319 --> 00:45:16,920 so yeah Canada for sure and I've talked 1081 00:45:22,420 --> 00:45:18,329 to people a lot of people in England and 1082 00:45:27,799 --> 00:45:22,430 Finland Germany 1083 00:45:32,299 --> 00:45:27,809 well Brazil when people contact you are 1084 00:45:35,150 --> 00:45:32,309 they looking to resolve you know what 1085 00:45:37,609 --> 00:45:35,160 what's the reason they contact you to 1086 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:37,619 begin with to tell their story and feel 1087 00:45:42,739 --> 00:45:40,170 better about it or or get I think 1088 00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:42,749 information a little both a little all 1089 00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:44,099 that yeah mix of all of it you know I 1090 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:48,960 think and this is something I so the 1091 00:45:53,299 --> 00:45:51,930 first book was my therapy right so that 1092 00:45:54,799 --> 00:45:53,309 was my therapy session was a three-year 1093 00:45:56,269 --> 00:45:54,809 therapy session I would sit at the 1094 00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:56,279 typewriter and go through my own 1095 00:45:59,089 --> 00:45:57,569 personal therapy that was I was 1096 00:46:01,789 --> 00:45:59,099 retelling my own set of experiences 1097 00:46:04,609 --> 00:46:01,799 within that first book and at the end of 1098 00:46:06,049 --> 00:46:04,619 it it was successful I came out the 1099 00:46:08,900 --> 00:46:06,059 other end of that book a much calmer 1100 00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,910 person hmm much more grounded calmer 1101 00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:10,319 person I'm drinking a little coffee 1102 00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:11,849 right now you might not might not might 1103 00:46:17,749 --> 00:46:14,460 not sound calmer and grounded but uh and 1104 00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:17,759 so the second book I was really really 1105 00:46:23,660 --> 00:46:20,460 talking with folks in depth and what 1106 00:46:24,170 --> 00:46:23,670 happened was I heard my voice in these 1107 00:46:26,359 --> 00:46:24,180 folks 1108 00:46:27,829 --> 00:46:26,369 I heard the person I was a few years ago 1109 00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:27,839 I was talking to people who were very 1110 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:30,630 tense and very confused about their 1111 00:46:35,089 --> 00:46:32,729 experiences oh you know basically what I 1112 00:46:38,269 --> 00:46:35,099 found at the end of the first book as 1113 00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:38,279 far as my own journey in a way was I'm 1114 00:46:41,989 --> 00:46:40,440 never gonna find a true answer I have to 1115 00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:41,999 be comfortable with just you know the 1116 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:45,180 questions that arise and so I got to 1117 00:46:50,209 --> 00:46:47,910 hear my own emotions mirrored back to me 1118 00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:50,219 I mean when talking to these other folks 1119 00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,900 and I feel like I played a role 1120 00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:54,180 I want to cautiously say that with some 1121 00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:57,119 of the folks I feel like I helped with 1122 00:47:02,660 --> 00:46:59,339 some solace in their lives now your 1123 00:47:11,580 --> 00:47:07,830 I'm gonna have to replay the tape but so 1124 00:47:13,770 --> 00:47:11,590 your question was was um oh the people 1125 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:13,780 who are having these experiences you 1126 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:15,730 know why why are they contacting me 1127 00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:18,250 what's and so yes it's partially I think 1128 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:20,860 people just need to tell their story so 1129 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:22,930 here's someone so I'm the guy who 1130 00:47:27,660 --> 00:47:25,290 collects all stories so when they say 1131 00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:27,670 listen I had an owl story I had an owl 1132 00:47:31,050 --> 00:47:29,230 event it took place like this like this 1133 00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:31,060 like this and I can say that's very 1134 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:33,820 interesting because it's not exactly the 1135 00:47:36,750 --> 00:47:35,170 same story I've heard but it has the 1136 00:47:38,100 --> 00:47:36,760 same flavor and here's these other 1137 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:38,110 stories and I can direct them to other 1138 00:47:45,390 --> 00:47:41,770 stories that are similar and um and it's 1139 00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:45,400 it's a relief for them I think to to 1140 00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:48,130 realize that they're not alone we have 1141 00:47:52,530 --> 00:47:49,750 someone in the chat room that said they 1142 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:52,540 have a story to tell so hopefully that 1143 00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:55,090 person will hang in there and in just a 1144 00:47:59,730 --> 00:47:57,430 little while we'll take calls and they 1145 00:48:03,000 --> 00:47:59,740 can call in so if anyone is listening 1146 00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:03,010 live right now and has a novel story and 1147 00:48:07,230 --> 00:48:04,900 you want to talk about it feel free to 1148 00:48:10,710 --> 00:48:07,240 call in we'll put that number up in a 1149 00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:10,720 little bit also if you need to contact 1150 00:48:16,020 --> 00:48:13,870 Mike at a later time I have your 1151 00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:16,030 information here and how to contact you 1152 00:48:21,570 --> 00:48:18,820 you've two different websites one is 1153 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:21,580 hidden experience dot blog spot.com 1154 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:25,210 and then simply yourname.com Mike Trout 1155 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:28,720 Cleland and that second one is is sort 1156 00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:30,160 of a promotion thing for the book and it 1157 00:48:37,770 --> 00:48:32,230 then leads you to the it's got it's got 1158 00:48:39,420 --> 00:48:37,780 links to the vlog so yeah so between 1159 00:48:41,490 --> 00:48:39,430 YouTube and my podcast someone's bound 1160 00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:41,500 to hear this that have an hour 1161 00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:43,630 experience and you incur you're 1162 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:46,780 basically encouraging them to write up 1163 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:48,010 in big letters at the top of my blog 1164 00:48:51,570 --> 00:48:49,510 that I say I want to hear your owl 1165 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:51,580 stories I apologize I might not be able 1166 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:53,050 to get back to people right away but I 1167 00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:54,670 do my best effort to get back to 1168 00:48:59,400 --> 00:48:56,710 everyone and I fail sometimes so it's 1169 00:49:00,570 --> 00:48:59,410 and this is I make a joke in a way where 1170 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:00,580 people say like well how do you know 1171 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:03,010 this owl stuff is real you know like and 1172 00:49:07,609 --> 00:49:05,050 I'm like you know how I know it's real 1173 00:49:10,099 --> 00:49:07,619 look at my email inbox 1174 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:10,109 like nobody is making this stuff up like 1175 00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:13,650 nobody could make this like thick yeah 1176 00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:15,599 it's just too much basically I'm getting 1177 00:49:21,049 --> 00:49:19,079 one good story a day probably one same 1178 00:49:24,349 --> 00:49:21,059 Goods days of the week I'm getting a 1179 00:49:28,430 --> 00:49:24,359 good story most days of the week so do 1180 00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:28,440 the math Wow Wow 300 300 excellent 1181 00:49:32,959 --> 00:49:30,329 stories a year and I've been doing this 1182 00:49:36,049 --> 00:49:32,969 for eight years maybe a good idea would 1183 00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:36,059 be to open a chat board or you know like 1184 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:38,640 a forum have everyone just post there 1185 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:40,170 yeah I have everyone post their stories 1186 00:49:46,279 --> 00:49:41,729 and just copy and paste make your next 1187 00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:46,289 book I'm joking sort of yeah we're sweat 1188 00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:49,319 into it than just a face but yes yeah do 1189 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:52,440 a little editing that's uh so let's hear 1190 00:49:58,339 --> 00:49:55,920 I love to hear these stories um let's 1191 00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,349 let's you you say in the second book 1192 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:01,440 here you talked in great depth is there 1193 00:50:07,219 --> 00:50:04,410 anything you can share that came out and 1194 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:07,229 some of these conversations well there's 1195 00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:08,729 a whole book of it yeah I mean say I can 1196 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:10,049 tell another story yeah I could book 1197 00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:18,410 sure um there's a woman named Brenda and 1198 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:21,690 she had an experience she contacted me 1199 00:50:24,410 --> 00:50:22,890 was very interesting she contacted me I 1200 00:50:26,900 --> 00:50:24,420 think in 2011 we had a wonderful 1201 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:26,910 conversation and she told me this story 1202 00:50:31,009 --> 00:50:28,890 and then she then I contacted her again 1203 00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:31,019 under very synchronous circumstances 1204 00:50:39,499 --> 00:50:36,089 where she found out that that that the 1205 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:39,509 book had been published the the the 1206 00:50:44,180 --> 00:50:42,390 first book and got ahold of me and I had 1207 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:44,190 actually included a small snippet of her 1208 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:46,650 story which I which I was very afraid I 1209 00:50:49,759 --> 00:50:48,359 just kind of went in a single sentence 1210 00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:49,769 Ike told an event so she had an 1211 00:50:53,450 --> 00:50:52,049 experience she's it's Halloween night 1212 00:50:58,640 --> 00:50:53,460 she gets in an argument with her 1213 00:51:00,650 --> 00:50:58,650 boyfriend at the time she decides she's 1214 00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,660 gonna go to her sister's house and she 1215 00:51:03,739 --> 00:51:01,920 said I'm just gonna walk to my sister's 1216 00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:03,749 house middle of the nights after 1217 00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,729 midnight her sister lives 12 miles away 1218 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:07,859 oh I'm like why did you walk to your 1219 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:09,690 sister did you think it's theirs I have 1220 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:11,729 no idea why I just started walking to my 1221 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:14,130 sister's house this guy pulls up in a 1222 00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:16,890 car she described him as a big Scottish 1223 00:51:20,420 --> 00:51:18,930 guy with a great big red beard a great 1224 00:51:21,260 --> 00:51:20,430 big guy with red hair and a red beard 1225 00:51:22,670 --> 00:51:21,270 and 1226 00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,680 he said get in the car I'll take you out 1227 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:24,540 of aisle and she was like and she said 1228 00:51:28,340 --> 00:51:26,970 it is totally unlike me to get in the 1229 00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:28,350 car I would never do that 1230 00:51:31,700 --> 00:51:29,550 so she'd never would walk to her 1231 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:31,710 sister's house she would never get in a 1232 00:51:36,590 --> 00:51:34,410 person's car she just dropped off at her 1233 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:36,600 sister's house her sister isn't home so 1234 00:51:39,970 --> 00:51:38,010 she sits on the back porch and then oh 1235 00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:39,980 she eventually gets in and that night 1236 00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:42,180 all these weird things happen there's 1237 00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:44,700 lights in the room there's chief she's 1238 00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:47,700 so it's a very disturbing night for her 1239 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:50,430 she wakes up the next morning and she's 1240 00:51:54,260 --> 00:51:52,410 sort of looking at the what she thinks 1241 00:51:56,060 --> 00:51:54,270 is the Sun setting and then the phone 1242 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:56,070 rings and boom it's full daylight so 1243 00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,570 there's these odd details of that night 1244 00:52:02,660 --> 00:52:00,300 including the strange thing so she gets 1245 00:52:05,090 --> 00:52:02,670 up and there's a great big owl she says 1246 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:05,100 it's the size of a small child in a tree 1247 00:52:09,770 --> 00:52:08,250 outside the big sliding glass door in 1248 00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:09,780 the back of the house you know the big 1249 00:52:14,780 --> 00:52:13,020 full-size glass window and the glass 1250 00:52:16,490 --> 00:52:14,790 door window and there's an owl there she 1251 00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,500 says that it's drooping down the big 1252 00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:18,240 branch that the owl is on is drooping 1253 00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:20,400 down really low the Owls so heavy and 1254 00:52:24,260 --> 00:52:21,960 her and her sister and I will play 1255 00:52:25,700 --> 00:52:24,270 nothing by the way they wailed very 1256 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:25,710 little surprisingly yeah they have 1257 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:27,690 hollow bones and I took care of a great 1258 00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:30,450 horned owl many years ago that was 1259 00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:32,370 wounded and I remember the thing I've 1260 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:34,140 never helped now that's everyone who 1261 00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:35,970 holds an owl says the same thing yeah 1262 00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:38,700 very light you know that yeah so that I 1263 00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:39,900 would suck that into account when she 1264 00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:41,760 said it was making the the branch droop 1265 00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:42,660 hmm 1266 00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,610 so she watches this owl and then 1267 00:52:48,500 --> 00:52:46,800 eventually it flies off so she has a UFO 1268 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:48,510 contact event she wakes up she first 1269 00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:49,530 thing she sees in the morning when she 1270 00:52:55,490 --> 00:52:52,440 gets out of bed is this owl and it sits 1271 00:52:57,050 --> 00:52:55,500 there for the rest of the afternoon she 1272 00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:57,060 has a bunch of other experiences that 1273 00:53:00,830 --> 00:52:58,650 are just amazing a handful of UFO 1274 00:53:03,110 --> 00:53:00,840 sightings which I Chronicle that are all 1275 00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:03,120 very interesting though they sound very 1276 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:04,830 typical to the kind of things that you 1277 00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:06,450 would hear in a MUFON report let's say 1278 00:53:12,590 --> 00:53:11,010 so but they Chronicle those and very no 1279 00:53:14,330 --> 00:53:12,600 pardon me just I'm sorry for the 1280 00:53:16,900 --> 00:53:14,340 interruption but are you saying that she 1281 00:53:19,700 --> 00:53:16,910 had these sightings like before or after 1282 00:53:20,060 --> 00:53:19,710 both some before and some after you okay 1283 00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:20,070 uh-huh 1284 00:53:27,050 --> 00:53:24,390 go ahead so she had an amazing story so 1285 00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,060 she was worked at these Renaissance 1286 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:29,040 Festival things and she basically said 1287 00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:30,090 she ran away with the gypsies and 1288 00:53:33,710 --> 00:53:32,280 started working the circuit of the 1289 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:33,720 renaissance festivals where she would be 1290 00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:36,170 in a costume and they would 1291 00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:39,359 she was at the time she was partners 1292 00:53:44,059 --> 00:53:42,390 with a musician so they were traveling 1293 00:53:46,969 --> 00:53:44,069 these fairs so they're at a house and 1294 00:53:48,499 --> 00:53:46,979 and in Texas during some downtime and 1295 00:53:50,419 --> 00:53:48,509 it's a friend of a friend and everyone 1296 00:53:51,739 --> 00:53:50,429 in the rent of the Renaissance Circle is 1297 00:53:53,359 --> 00:53:51,749 kind of like you know just stay at my 1298 00:53:54,589 --> 00:53:53,369 house so there's this kind of everyone 1299 00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:54,599 has a place to stay when you're working 1300 00:54:01,429 --> 00:53:55,410 these things so they're staying at a 1301 00:54:05,779 --> 00:54:01,439 friend's house and the they're all 1302 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:05,789 sitting around the house and the one of 1303 00:54:10,219 --> 00:54:07,650 the fellows that that was there as a 1304 00:54:11,929 --> 00:54:10,229 friend of a friend kind of thing walks 1305 00:54:13,789 --> 00:54:11,939 into the room and he's carrying a sword 1306 00:54:15,169 --> 00:54:13,799 and i interupting like way to win 1307 00:54:16,459 --> 00:54:15,179 where'd he where'd he get a sword and 1308 00:54:18,169 --> 00:54:16,469 she was kind like well when you work 1309 00:54:19,789 --> 00:54:18,179 Renaissance Festival let's see there's 1310 00:54:22,219 --> 00:54:19,799 swords away yeah okay fair enough 1311 00:54:25,009 --> 00:54:22,229 and he was very shy and very soft-spoken 1312 00:54:26,959 --> 00:54:25,019 and very introverted and he stood in the 1313 00:54:28,789 --> 00:54:26,969 middle of the room and spoke she said it 1314 00:54:31,339 --> 00:54:28,799 was like James Earl Jones reciting 1315 00:54:34,339 --> 00:54:31,349 Shakespeare he spoke he like and now the 1316 00:54:37,819 --> 00:54:34,349 story of the white Buffalo and he told 1317 00:54:40,099 --> 00:54:37,829 this long complicated mythic story of 1318 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:40,109 the of the white buffalo and how there's 1319 00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,329 these issues where mankind is in 1320 00:54:47,029 --> 00:54:44,640 jeopardy and the white buffalo has to be 1321 00:54:49,669 --> 00:54:47,039 attended to and and it just and it was 1322 00:54:53,319 --> 00:54:49,679 almost like nonsensical and then at the 1323 00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:53,329 end well hey during the talk this 1324 00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:55,140 someone in the house was watching the 1325 00:54:58,459 --> 00:54:57,359 football game so he's standing in the 1326 00:55:00,769 --> 00:54:58,469 middle of the room with his sword making 1327 00:55:02,870 --> 00:55:00,779 this weird speech with a voice that 1328 00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:02,880 wasn't his she looks at the television 1329 00:55:08,359 --> 00:55:06,390 set and it's and it's them on the 1330 00:55:09,709 --> 00:55:08,369 television it's like live feed in the 1331 00:55:11,989 --> 00:55:09,719 room on the television she looks at 1332 00:55:15,919 --> 00:55:11,999 television it's it's it's them in the 1333 00:55:18,410 --> 00:55:15,929 room and he finished his story and he 1334 00:55:21,140 --> 00:55:18,420 sets this sword down and everyone in the 1335 00:55:22,969 --> 00:55:21,150 room is quiet no one says a thing and 1336 00:55:24,769 --> 00:55:22,979 then someone says well I'm gonna go to 1337 00:55:27,829 --> 00:55:24,779 bed me too and they all get up and go to 1338 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:27,839 bed and then the next morning she gets 1339 00:55:30,919 --> 00:55:29,609 up and says what was that story about 1340 00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:30,929 the White Buffalo what were you guys 1341 00:55:35,179 --> 00:55:33,569 talking about and they were like I don't 1342 00:55:36,049 --> 00:55:35,189 remember what story wait what we didn't 1343 00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:36,059 say anything about the White Buffalo 1344 00:55:38,539 --> 00:55:37,559 though to the fellow he's like I didn't 1345 00:55:39,499 --> 00:55:38,549 say anything about a white buffalo what 1346 00:55:41,749 --> 00:55:39,509 do you tell what are you talking about 1347 00:55:44,329 --> 00:55:41,759 and then there's a knock at the door and 1348 00:55:45,709 --> 00:55:44,339 it's the she it was the Jehovah's 1349 00:55:47,479 --> 00:55:45,719 Witnesses she didn't actually talk to 1350 00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:47,489 them they're her boyfriend didn't they 1351 00:55:50,310 --> 00:55:48,730 were like hi can we come in and 1352 00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:50,320 like no it's not my house I can't let 1353 00:55:53,610 --> 00:55:51,910 you in um well can we talk to you we 1354 00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:53,620 just want to talk to you uh well no we 1355 00:55:57,660 --> 00:55:55,720 can't talk to you and we we can't let 1356 00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,670 you ain't said well the real reason 1357 00:56:02,340 --> 00:56:00,640 we're here is because someone saw a UFO 1358 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:02,350 hovering above your house last night we 1359 00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:04,210 wanted to talk to you about it and the 1360 00:56:07,230 --> 00:56:06,220 one guy he didn't remember the White 1361 00:56:09,090 --> 00:56:07,240 Buffalo story so he just basically 1362 00:56:12,090 --> 00:56:09,100 slammed the door in their face and then 1363 00:56:17,130 --> 00:56:12,100 Brenda was all kind of like like what is 1364 00:56:20,010 --> 00:56:17,140 going on so these are the these are the 1365 00:56:22,590 --> 00:56:20,020 types of events that are completely on 1366 00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:22,600 one level absurd but that's what's 1367 00:56:27,210 --> 00:56:25,000 arising out of these stories so um and 1368 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:27,220 streamer the wife of the late wife of 1369 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:27,970 Whitley Strieber 1370 00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:29,890 she had at what she called her BS meter 1371 00:56:33,330 --> 00:56:31,990 like she could tell the story someone 1372 00:56:36,030 --> 00:56:33,340 was telling the truth and she said if 1373 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:36,040 they tell me a story and it's not weird 1374 00:56:42,270 --> 00:56:39,130 I don't trust it uh-huh so I was just 1375 00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:42,280 like you know like this I go pretty far 1376 00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:43,690 out on a limb with some of the accounts 1377 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,640 that show up in this book but I felt I 1378 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:47,440 needed to because that's what these 1379 00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:49,450 people were earnestly trying to tell me 1380 00:56:54,090 --> 00:56:51,460 and when Brenda told me this story um 1381 00:56:56,570 --> 00:56:54,100 she told it to me twice once in 2011 and 1382 00:56:59,460 --> 00:56:56,580 once during the production of the book 1383 00:57:01,890 --> 00:56:59,470 it was the same story so I have full 1384 00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:01,900 confidence in what she shared you know 1385 00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:04,330 it's funny I had a god I can't remember 1386 00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:05,980 who it was it might have been D Nellie 1387 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:08,500 Otto it was someone I had on my show 1388 00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:12,490 recently and they were talking about UFO 1389 00:57:16,410 --> 00:57:14,200 report now I'm getting the name wrong I 1390 00:57:19,110 --> 00:57:16,420 think talking about a UFO report and 1391 00:57:22,380 --> 00:57:19,120 they said that the MUFON investigator 1392 00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:22,390 just skipped right over a part because 1393 00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:23,890 he thought it was silly and didn't mean 1394 00:57:29,610 --> 00:57:27,040 anything and it was like a bunny rabbit 1395 00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:29,620 on the porch with and dressed in plaid 1396 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:31,690 like where did that come from all of a 1397 00:57:34,890 --> 00:57:33,010 sudden that that was just showed up 1398 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:34,900 there and he said no wait a minute 1399 00:57:40,140 --> 00:57:36,790 that is the part of the story you gotta 1400 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:40,150 pay attention to so it kind of goes 1401 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:41,950 along the same line you know the weirder 1402 00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:44,410 it gets it's like you know there are 1403 00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:47,710 some really weird accounts of that 1404 00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:50,020 absolutely make no sense at all and I 1405 00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:51,880 think some of those are some of the more 1406 00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:54,640 interesting ones well that's the book is 1407 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:56,080 full of those that's what I was going 1408 00:58:01,050 --> 00:57:57,970 for because I felt bad that I had to 1409 00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:01,060 weed out these these accounts and 1410 00:58:06,030 --> 00:58:02,050 there's this there's this 1411 00:58:07,170 --> 00:58:06,040 kind of strange loopy logic on how these 1412 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:07,180 all fit together 1413 00:58:10,770 --> 00:58:09,130 you know the synchronistic strangeness 1414 00:58:14,100 --> 00:58:10,780 to some of these things how they how 1415 00:58:16,260 --> 00:58:14,110 these stories all Co join yeah I'd like 1416 00:58:18,540 --> 00:58:16,270 to like to hear some more there's 1417 00:58:21,060 --> 00:58:18,550 another question that came in have any 1418 00:58:23,460 --> 00:58:21,070 abductees you've interviewed stated that 1419 00:58:27,210 --> 00:58:23,470 visions of owls changed to actual 1420 00:58:28,410 --> 00:58:27,220 visions of ETS at one time that is one I 1421 00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,420 can answer yes there's a wonderful 1422 00:58:33,330 --> 00:58:30,400 friend of mine her name is Lucretia Hart 1423 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:33,340 that's a pen name she she has a 1424 00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:35,890 wonderful blog called at spirals and I 1425 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:37,720 anyone listening right now get on that 1426 00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:42,010 blog you'll it's it's ten novels of her 1427 00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:44,290 experiences all stacked up in this in 1428 00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:46,720 this site so I had a long conversation 1429 00:58:51,690 --> 00:58:49,390 with her she told me the this amazing 1430 00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:51,700 owl story she was 19 years old I think 1431 00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,530 she's in her 40s now she was 19 years 1432 00:58:56,430 --> 00:58:54,880 old at the time she was working at a 1433 00:58:59,010 --> 00:58:56,440 summer camp for girls in the Pacific 1434 00:59:00,090 --> 00:58:59,020 Northwest and she wasn't like out in the 1435 00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:00,100 deep in the woods she was like between 1436 00:59:02,610 --> 00:59:01,450 two cabins and there was little trail 1437 00:59:03,900 --> 00:59:02,620 and she kind of walked through a meadow 1438 00:59:04,980 --> 00:59:03,910 and she was kind of off on her own for a 1439 00:59:08,130 --> 00:59:04,990 little bit before she got to the other 1440 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:08,140 cabins and um full daylight and she knew 1441 00:59:11,460 --> 00:59:09,850 she'd been having contact experiences 1442 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:11,470 but they always happened at night she 1443 00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:13,090 never had anything strange happened 1444 00:59:18,690 --> 00:59:14,950 during the day so she's walking between 1445 00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:18,700 these two cabins and and in a little 1446 00:59:24,810 --> 00:59:22,000 meadow and she turns a corner and there 1447 00:59:27,660 --> 00:59:24,820 next to the trail is a grey alien 1448 00:59:29,340 --> 00:59:27,670 standing there full daylight she looks 1449 00:59:32,700 --> 00:59:29,350 at the grey alien it looks at her and 1450 00:59:34,350 --> 00:59:32,710 she she she catches it she's like this 1451 00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:34,360 is kind of like oh crap a moment like 1452 00:59:38,670 --> 00:59:36,910 like I'm busted and she she senses that 1453 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:38,680 and then she hears like a sort of 1454 00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:41,410 telepathic reverberation where this 1455 00:59:46,890 --> 00:59:43,390 thing she sends out like an energy wave 1456 00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:46,900 that goes foul owl owl owl owl and the 1457 00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:48,370 next thing she knows she's looking at a 1458 00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:51,130 four foot tall owl and this this big owl 1459 00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:53,220 turns and runs off into the woods 1460 00:59:59,700 --> 00:59:55,810 now she actually said that it ran off 1461 01:00:02,610 --> 00:59:59,710 into the woods and and then alone kind 1462 01:00:05,100 --> 01:00:02,620 of hover it kind of like floated a grass 1463 01:00:07,170 --> 01:00:05,110 in a way and she she went in back and 1464 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:07,180 there was a big ditch that if it was 1465 01:00:09,570 --> 01:00:08,410 actually running it would had to drop 1466 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:09,580 down in the ditch and come up the other 1467 01:00:13,980 --> 01:00:11,290 side but that's not what she saw she saw 1468 01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:13,990 it kind of hover in a motion across the 1469 01:00:20,150 --> 01:00:15,750 across the 1470 01:00:22,730 --> 01:00:20,160 the the field there so yes there's and I 1471 01:00:26,140 --> 01:00:22,740 have another experience where someone or 1472 01:00:28,130 --> 01:00:26,150 another witness account where someone 1473 01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:28,140 saw a bright flash they'd been having 1474 01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:29,880 UFO contact experiences at their home 1475 01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:31,230 they saw a bright flash on the front 1476 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:32,910 yard and they walked out onto the front 1477 01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:35,610 porch and they're like you know what's 1478 01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:36,930 going on and they looked out there was 1479 01:00:39,350 --> 01:00:37,890 nothing out there and then they look to 1480 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:39,360 the side and right next to the porch 1481 01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,410 kind of near the house were four gray 1482 01:00:47,780 --> 01:00:45,540 aliens for skinny gray aliens and they 1483 01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:47,790 were looking at her and then booth they 1484 01:00:52,790 --> 01:00:49,680 just instantly turned into four deer and 1485 01:00:55,220 --> 01:00:52,800 she said they walked backwards really 1486 01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:55,230 eerie like they didn't they they were 1487 01:00:59,570 --> 01:00:56,700 had their eyes locked on her and they 1488 01:01:00,680 --> 01:00:59,580 walked backwards these four deer so yeah 1489 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:00,690 there's a couple of there's several 1490 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:03,210 accounts where people watch these these 1491 01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:07,050 were like it like the the psychic mojo 1492 01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:08,460 didn't work quite right and they they 1493 01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:11,250 got kind of messed messed up so they got 1494 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:14,570 busted so to speak now just to let the 1495 01:01:20,090 --> 01:01:17,490 live listen to know why the listener 1496 01:01:22,130 --> 01:01:20,100 know we're going to we could take calls 1497 01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:22,140 actually starting now if you want to 1498 01:01:27,110 --> 01:01:24,330 share if you have had it in our store 1499 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:27,120 we'd really really love to hear from you 1500 01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:29,970 otherwise you're welcome to call in the 1501 01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:31,740 numbers up on your screen right now on 1502 01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,910 the YouTube screen we'd love first of 1503 01:01:40,340 --> 01:01:37,680 all if you do have an owl story please 1504 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:40,350 do call in and mark I saw you on the 1505 01:01:45,220 --> 01:01:41,970 message board if you're still there 1506 01:01:48,170 --> 01:01:45,230 please call in let's hear the story if 1507 01:01:50,930 --> 01:01:48,180 if you don't have a story and you just 1508 01:01:52,700 --> 01:01:50,940 want to ask our guest a question again 1509 01:01:55,490 --> 01:01:52,710 that number is right up on the screen 1510 01:01:59,140 --> 01:01:55,500 right now on youtube so down on the Left 1511 01:02:01,370 --> 01:01:59,150 coming down on the right hand side so 1512 01:02:03,860 --> 01:02:01,380 also I just want to let you know that I 1513 01:02:06,260 --> 01:02:03,870 am getting some questions coming in in 1514 01:02:08,090 --> 01:02:06,270 the chat but if you're listening live 1515 01:02:09,410 --> 01:02:08,100 right now I'm not always able to check 1516 01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:09,420 that I do have someone that'll look at 1517 01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:12,270 it and possibly send some of your 1518 01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:15,780 questions forward someone wants to know 1519 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:18,060 what advice you would give someone if 1520 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:20,010 they started noticing owls on a frequent 1521 01:02:26,810 --> 01:02:24,050 basis that defies rational explanation 1522 01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:26,820 well I'm the one person to ask 1523 01:02:30,260 --> 01:02:28,350 because that's exactly what happened to 1524 01:02:37,100 --> 01:02:30,270 me starting in about 2006 between about 1525 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:37,110 2011 it was off the charts so if this 1526 01:02:41,330 --> 01:02:38,490 defies rational yes 1527 01:02:44,620 --> 01:02:41,340 so Mike my answer is you know I really 1528 01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:44,630 don't know the best thing I can say is 1529 01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:47,430 what's going on in your life what is 1530 01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:49,620 some I so here I'm taking I'm not acting 1531 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:51,390 as a UFO investigator I've taken my UFO 1532 01:02:54,290 --> 01:02:53,010 investigator hat off and I'm pushing it 1533 01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,300 aside and that's not my concern right 1534 01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,920 now Mike I'm putting my shaman hat on 1535 01:02:59,840 --> 01:02:57,540 I'm not a shaman but it's kind of like 1536 01:03:01,790 --> 01:02:59,850 my so I would say you know what is going 1537 01:03:03,830 --> 01:03:01,800 on in your life what is going on in your 1538 01:03:06,050 --> 01:03:03,840 life that would that would manifest 1539 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:06,060 these owls and usually there's some form 1540 01:03:11,540 --> 01:03:07,530 of stress there's some form of life 1541 01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:11,550 change there's some form of of life 1542 01:03:16,010 --> 01:03:13,650 mission or urgency that's associated 1543 01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:16,020 with these kinds of sightings and and 1544 01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:19,980 and to take that seriously like you know 1545 01:03:26,050 --> 01:03:23,100 really do some deep internal work that's 1546 01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:26,060 one answer the other answer would be 1547 01:03:30,530 --> 01:03:28,800 there may you know I was just summoned I 1548 01:03:32,780 --> 01:03:30,540 guess you can't ask because you know my 1549 01:03:34,790 --> 01:03:32,790 question with that question that comes 1550 01:03:36,860 --> 01:03:34,800 up in my mind is have you had UFO 1551 01:03:40,670 --> 01:03:36,870 contact that's a tough question for 1552 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:40,680 someone to answer so right right someone 1553 01:03:43,850 --> 01:03:42,450 wants to know in the chat can you just 1554 01:03:46,220 --> 01:03:43,860 call out one more time than Amy your 1555 01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:46,230 blog please yes my blog is hidden 1556 01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:49,920 experience blog spot.com you can google 1557 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:53,040 UFOs owls and I will come right up you 1558 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:55,170 will have no problem finding me so I 1559 01:03:59,240 --> 01:03:56,970 think that's maybe how I found you the 1560 01:04:01,160 --> 01:03:59,250 first time when I had you on the show or 1561 01:04:02,630 --> 01:04:01,170 no actually we exchanged information we 1562 01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:02,640 exchanged business cards I thank you 1563 01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:06,480 that's right that's right and it seems 1564 01:04:12,110 --> 01:04:09,540 it sounds to me almost like this you 1565 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:12,120 said the first book you did was kind of 1566 01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:16,850 like a therapy do you still see owls 1567 01:04:22,700 --> 01:04:19,980 yeah sure yeah I mean I also live in a 1568 01:04:24,710 --> 01:04:22,710 place with a lot of owls it's like 1569 01:04:27,620 --> 01:04:24,720 they're not a rare rare bird or of any 1570 01:04:29,810 --> 01:04:27,630 kind but you know I mean it's just when 1571 01:04:31,250 --> 01:04:29,820 they show up is strange well if they 1572 01:04:32,780 --> 01:04:31,260 show prescient moments and that's a 1573 01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:32,790 that's a perfect word for it do they 1574 01:04:36,260 --> 01:04:34,440 show up at like you know mystically 1575 01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:36,270 important moments you know as 1576 01:04:40,490 --> 01:04:38,340 highly-charged moments they pay 1577 01:04:43,820 --> 01:04:40,500 attention they're nocturnal first of all 1578 01:04:45,980 --> 01:04:43,830 for the you know it they are seen in the 1579 01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:45,990 daytime you know I think it's a barn owl 1580 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:48,810 or care member which for the owl the 1581 01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:50,130 figure that all the more likely they are 1582 01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:51,870 to be seen during the day yeah 1583 01:04:57,290 --> 01:04:54,960 yeah but but it's not like they're you 1584 01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:57,300 know they're most mostly nocturnal but 1585 01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,740 they do occasionally show up in the day 1586 01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:00,480 I mean I've seen them in the day a few 1587 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:02,880 times many times I have to yeah so I 1588 01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:04,410 still see them and I'm really funny 1589 01:05:07,100 --> 01:05:05,940 because as soon as I see I'm like the 1590 01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:07,110 little bells are ringing in my head like 1591 01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:08,490 what's going out of my life what is it 1592 01:05:12,620 --> 01:05:09,660 is this somethin important what is this 1593 01:05:14,420 --> 01:05:12,630 a not so important one you know we get 1594 01:05:16,580 --> 01:05:14,430 him in the yard and we hear them and and 1595 01:05:17,780 --> 01:05:16,590 I'm all I love owls so I'm all about 1596 01:05:21,020 --> 01:05:17,790 like getting out there and get try to 1597 01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:21,030 get a closer look and and so yeah so but 1598 01:05:24,950 --> 01:05:23,700 yes I there's I've see still see a lot 1599 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:24,960 of owls and that one of the things I 1600 01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:26,370 have to do is sort of turn my filter 1601 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:27,570 down I mean you can walk down the Main 1602 01:05:31,610 --> 01:05:30,090 Street of any town and you can go one 1603 01:05:32,900 --> 01:05:31,620 city block and you're gonna count five 1604 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:32,910 or ten owls there's gonna be a little 1605 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:35,010 lunch boxes you know looking there's 1606 01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:36,450 gonna be a calendar with owls on it 1607 01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:37,410 something's gonna have a little stuffed 1608 01:05:41,510 --> 01:05:39,930 owl on their desk so if you're looking 1609 01:05:44,780 --> 01:05:41,520 for owls they're out there so just be 1610 01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:44,790 careful because it can yeah sometimes 1611 01:05:50,810 --> 01:05:48,000 sometimes an owl is just an owl you know 1612 01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:50,820 and someone had posted in the chat room 1613 01:05:55,310 --> 01:05:53,220 but their relative collected owl 1614 01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:55,320 figurines and I'm I'm gonna fine arts 1615 01:05:59,450 --> 01:05:57,420 appraiser an estate appraiser and you 1616 01:06:00,320 --> 01:05:59,460 know I've seen anything from Bulldogs to 1617 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:00,330 penguins 1618 01:06:09,050 --> 01:06:06,330 common one and people collect in mass 1619 01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:09,060 cows sometimes they collect you never 1620 01:06:13,490 --> 01:06:11,070 know loons and Maine everyone collects 1621 01:06:16,190 --> 01:06:13,500 loons for some reason but huge 1622 01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:16,200 collections and it really doesn't mean 1623 01:06:21,230 --> 01:06:19,530 anything no it doesn't mean anything but 1624 01:06:22,670 --> 01:06:21,240 it is it's something I pay attention to 1625 01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:22,680 when someone says oh my mother collected 1626 01:06:26,990 --> 01:06:24,000 owls you know and then I have this 1627 01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:27,000 strange owl experience like like Laura 1628 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:29,850 Bruno's mom hey I put that in the you 1629 01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:31,890 know it's a it's a tiny clue you know 1630 01:06:35,990 --> 01:06:33,300 like I don't weight it too much but it's 1631 01:06:37,250 --> 01:06:36,000 there it's a clue so mark if you're 1632 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:37,260 listening we'd love to hear from you 1633 01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:39,810 again the numbers up on the screen 1634 01:06:43,610 --> 01:06:41,370 hopefully you'll call in and tell us 1635 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:43,620 your story as you mentioned you have one 1636 01:06:50,060 --> 01:06:47,010 to tell this is kind of a sort of a 1637 01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:50,070 fringe question this person is stating 1638 01:06:54,289 --> 01:06:51,660 it as that do you think it's possible 1639 01:06:58,660 --> 01:06:54,299 that owls are being controlled 1640 01:07:04,249 --> 01:06:58,670 how by ETS in order to monitor abductees 1641 01:07:07,729 --> 01:07:04,259 this is a great question I so I I have 1642 01:07:10,910 --> 01:07:07,739 no idea but if you were gonna pick one 1643 01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:10,920 animal on earth to monitor abductees and 1644 01:07:14,929 --> 01:07:13,529 you had the power of the UFO occupant 1645 01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:14,939 right and then there are their psychic 1646 01:07:19,759 --> 01:07:16,529 powers their mechanical powers their 1647 01:07:22,009 --> 01:07:19,769 technological powers the owl would be 1648 01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:22,019 there was one perfect thing right there 1649 01:07:27,199 --> 01:07:24,630 it could fly in complete darkness 1650 01:07:28,819 --> 01:07:27,209 they have stealth flying abilities they 1651 01:07:30,739 --> 01:07:28,829 don't make any sound when they fly they 1652 01:07:33,709 --> 01:07:30,749 have perfect night vision they have the 1653 01:07:37,819 --> 01:07:33,719 best hearing of any animal in like North 1654 01:07:40,999 --> 01:07:37,829 America any bird especially so owls are 1655 01:07:43,459 --> 01:07:41,009 like best night vision best hearing best 1656 01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:43,469 silent flight and then if you do see one 1657 01:07:46,849 --> 01:07:45,599 out your window it's not that you know 1658 01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:46,859 it's like it's not like seeing a gray 1659 01:07:48,529 --> 01:07:48,209 alien out your window let me put it that 1660 01:07:50,870 --> 01:07:48,539 way 1661 01:07:53,479 --> 01:07:50,880 so yes so if they wanted to pick an 1662 01:07:55,429 --> 01:07:53,489 animal to sit by your window right so 1663 01:07:57,709 --> 01:07:55,439 there was an owl out my window right now 1664 01:08:01,069 --> 01:07:57,719 it could hear every word I'm saying 1665 01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:01,079 right let's got this it's through the 1666 01:08:04,669 --> 01:08:03,059 glass it's got it steering is plenty 1667 01:08:10,239 --> 01:08:04,679 good to hear every word I'm saying here 1668 01:08:13,189 --> 01:08:10,249 so they I that is a wonderful Avenue of 1669 01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:13,199 research or thought let's say to go down 1670 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:14,910 that road because they are the perfect 1671 01:08:22,879 --> 01:08:17,369 you know what would you call it like 1672 01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,889 organic stealth drone yeah and of your 1673 01:08:28,220 --> 01:08:24,719 vision you know I mentioned earlier that 1674 01:08:30,979 --> 01:08:28,230 it took care of a an owl and I remember 1675 01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:30,989 it saw you know it was awake during the 1676 01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:33,779 daytime when I was taking care of it and 1677 01:08:39,109 --> 01:08:36,179 I kept seeing it like move its head 1678 01:08:41,660 --> 01:08:39,119 around like this and like that and he 1679 01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:41,670 was actually seeing a spider move across 1680 01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:43,980 the room up on a spiderweb that's how 1681 01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:47,670 good the vision this thing has amazing 1682 01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:49,650 yeah yeah yeah and then at night they 1683 01:08:54,079 --> 01:08:51,540 could do it to their eye cover a little 1684 01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:54,089 bit of it I do some people some people 1685 01:08:56,299 --> 01:08:55,170 like this chapter and some people 1686 01:08:57,919 --> 01:08:56,309 thought it was like when's why don't we 1687 01:08:59,149 --> 01:08:57,929 get back to the UFOs where I did a 1688 01:09:00,740 --> 01:08:59,159 chapter in the first book on just the 1689 01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:00,750 physiology vowels I tried to write a 1690 01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:03,089 very you know kinda I just needed to 1691 01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:05,759 address how interesting the bird is and 1692 01:09:08,150 --> 01:09:07,259 it's in its own right it's night vision 1693 01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:08,160 and I 1694 01:09:13,310 --> 01:09:11,490 you know so how's uh you know you say 1695 01:09:15,950 --> 01:09:13,320 you get one good story a day which 1696 01:09:18,080 --> 01:09:15,960 totally is a mind-blower to me I mean I 1697 01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:18,090 can't believe that most days most days 1698 01:09:24,140 --> 01:09:20,310 I'm not exaggerating only slightly when 1699 01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:24,150 they say one today but these all these 1700 01:09:29,090 --> 01:09:27,150 stories in particular just owl stories 1701 01:09:33,770 --> 01:09:29,100 are or most of them have to do with a 1702 01:09:35,330 --> 01:09:33,780 UFO sighting and an owl most of them 1703 01:09:37,250 --> 01:09:35,340 have to do with UFO sighting in an owl 1704 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:37,260 or a UFO contact or some sort of you 1705 01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:38,730 know sometimes it might be like aliens 1706 01:09:42,410 --> 01:09:40,140 in the room they don't see a UFO but 1707 01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,420 they see you know they get some pretty 1708 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:44,640 strong clues you know the portal opens 1709 01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,930 up in their bedroom and you know and 1710 01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:48,000 there's you know they hear owls hooting 1711 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:50,730 and then a like a vortex portal opens up 1712 01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:52,410 in their bedroom I've that one shows up 1713 01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:57,360 too so so yes yeah so then they're the 1714 01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:58,770 ones that I'm interested in and they 1715 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:01,020 they I'm asking for him so like I am NOT 1716 01:10:07,330 --> 01:10:03,290 a what would you call it I'm not a 1717 01:10:10,100 --> 01:10:07,340 objective researcher I am absurdly 1718 01:10:11,420 --> 01:10:10,110 subjective you know like I'm I'm pushing 1719 01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:11,430 all the data out of the way and the only 1720 01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:13,290 thing I want to latch my little talons 1721 01:10:17,300 --> 01:10:15,450 into is the owl stuff and what has 1722 01:10:20,750 --> 01:10:17,310 happened is is I'm seeing this tiny 1723 01:10:23,540 --> 01:10:20,760 right side like a like because you know 1724 01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:23,550 if you put all the there's a lot in a 1725 01:10:29,060 --> 01:10:26,130 UFO realm right this I mean there's been 1726 01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:29,070 thousands of books and and there's every 1727 01:10:33,830 --> 01:10:31,020 way to look at it from nuts and bolts to 1728 01:10:36,380 --> 01:10:33,840 spiritual to ancient aliens and but the 1729 01:10:40,100 --> 01:10:36,390 Allah thing is this little small part of 1730 01:10:42,860 --> 01:10:40,110 this big massive mess of a drama and 1731 01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:42,870 what I'm finding is you pull on that one 1732 01:10:48,970 --> 01:10:45,030 small thread I'm taking the tiniest 1733 01:10:51,710 --> 01:10:48,980 corner of the the the most fringy little 1734 01:10:53,810 --> 01:10:51,720 fractal of this big overall picture and 1735 01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:53,820 pulling on it and what I'm finding is 1736 01:10:59,810 --> 01:10:55,890 that there's just a wealth an absurd 1737 01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:59,820 wealth of of exactly the kind of story 1738 01:11:07,220 --> 01:11:01,560 that kind of floats my boat you know 1739 01:11:09,950 --> 01:11:07,230 these these amazing weird illogical kind 1740 01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:09,960 of kind of kind of Zen koans of 1741 01:11:17,890 --> 01:11:13,140 experiences I don't I can't think of any 1742 01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:17,900 other topic in the UFO field that that 1743 01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:20,960 that compares to can you 1744 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:25,560 as far as as far as you know another 1745 01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:27,570 thread that someone could Paul sure 1746 01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:29,460 what's Kenneth ring pulled the the 1747 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:31,560 near-death experience you know he 1748 01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,850 compared and contrast the near-death 1749 01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:34,800 experience to the UFO contact experience 1750 01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:36,960 I have knowledge on magnetic you other 1751 01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,580 authors john mack wrote the book 1752 01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:40,560 passport to the cosmos where he compared 1753 01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:43,080 shamanic initiation to the UFO contact 1754 01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:47,370 experience okay so you're yeah yeah yeah 1755 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:48,840 I could come up with a few more but that 1756 01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:50,010 was pretty good right off the top of my 1757 01:11:54,650 --> 01:11:52,290 head not too bad hey someone wanted to 1758 01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:54,660 know could you please repeat the blog 1759 01:11:59,660 --> 01:11:56,280 you mentioned earlier there was a woman 1760 01:12:02,060 --> 01:11:59,670 you said it's a must read blog yes could 1761 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:02,070 you repeat that please viral end said 1762 01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:07,290 I'm at spirals end at spirals end yes 1763 01:12:12,830 --> 01:12:09,330 I'll make a note to put that in the show 1764 01:12:13,850 --> 01:12:12,840 notes as well yeah pretty sure that's 1765 01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:13,860 the name of it I could look it up here 1766 01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:14,940 maybe I should look it up because it's 1767 01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:19,080 sometimes it's the title is okay so 1768 01:12:26,330 --> 01:12:23,250 let's I'm kind of disappointed mark 1769 01:12:28,580 --> 01:12:26,340 hopefully you'll call in anyone else if 1770 01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:28,590 anyone's had an owl experience please do 1771 01:12:34,310 --> 01:12:31,350 call in or if you just want to ask our 1772 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:34,320 guest a question that number is up on 1773 01:12:38,330 --> 01:12:35,850 the line if you happen to be listening 1774 01:12:39,890 --> 01:12:38,340 I'm gonna repeat the number just one I'm 1775 01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:39,900 gonna say the number one time but please 1776 01:12:45,140 --> 01:12:43,260 keep in mind it's a live show only so if 1777 01:12:47,570 --> 01:12:45,150 you're listening to this as a podcast or 1778 01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,580 you're listening on another radio 1779 01:12:51,620 --> 01:12:49,920 station it's only during the live show 1780 01:12:57,350 --> 01:12:51,630 that this phone number actually works 1781 01:13:00,020 --> 01:12:57,360 then that's 603 9 6 7 403 oh if anyone 1782 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:00,030 wants to call in and even if you're a 1783 01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:04,050 skeptic we'd love to hear from you and I 1784 01:13:10,490 --> 01:13:08,100 know this is a sort of an unusual topic 1785 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:10,500 he has just mentioned that he's not 1786 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:13,650 interested in any you just want the 1787 01:13:16,820 --> 01:13:15,330 Aldina that's all you want you don't 1788 01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:16,830 want no no I'm joking I was being a 1789 01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:18,750 purposely provocative I've got a pretty 1790 01:13:23,420 --> 01:13:20,489 broad you know I'm very interested in 1791 01:13:26,090 --> 01:13:23,430 the topic so uh-huh let's hear another 1792 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:26,100 story I love these stories I mean if 1793 01:13:30,650 --> 01:13:28,050 they're really really fascinating and 1794 01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:30,660 you can actually you know you don't have 1795 01:13:33,710 --> 01:13:32,280 to they don't all have to be from the 1796 01:13:36,530 --> 01:13:33,720 latest book 1797 01:13:37,790 --> 01:13:36,540 just if you can think of like so here's 1798 01:13:40,190 --> 01:13:37,800 one here's one then this has happened 1799 01:13:41,420 --> 01:13:40,200 after the event in Maine and I can't 1800 01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:41,430 remember the year I would have to think 1801 01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:42,540 of it but it might have been right after 1802 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:44,250 I spoke with you because I spoke at the 1803 01:13:51,830 --> 01:13:49,650 conference and there was a so I gave a 1804 01:13:53,330 --> 01:13:51,840 talk at the conference and and there was 1805 01:13:54,710 --> 01:13:53,340 a lot of owl buzz and people were coming 1806 01:13:57,710 --> 01:13:54,720 up to me with her ala stories I heard a 1807 01:13:59,600 --> 01:13:57,720 lot of stories and every one after the 1808 01:14:02,750 --> 01:13:59,610 conference like a core group of folks 1809 01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:02,760 friends and and all went up to a lake 1810 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:06,210 house that Audrey's mother oh yeah 1811 01:14:09,710 --> 01:14:08,010 Audrey starborn who is running the 1812 01:14:11,270 --> 01:14:09,720 conference her mother had a lake house 1813 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:11,280 it was about an hour north of Portland 1814 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:12,690 and talked about the you know it's like 1815 01:14:18,590 --> 01:14:14,850 loons it was the place of live kind of 1816 01:14:20,270 --> 01:14:18,600 things so they and they were all hanging 1817 01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:20,280 out and there was so there was there was 1818 01:14:24,290 --> 01:14:22,410 people were like let's manifest let's do 1819 01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:24,300 a little manifestation let's get it 1820 01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:27,480 let's get a UFO to come so everyone went 1821 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:29,910 down oh can you hear me we have a call 1822 01:14:33,410 --> 01:14:31,770 that came in but go ahead I just want to 1823 01:14:36,290 --> 01:14:33,420 let you know we call yeah great I'll 1824 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:36,300 finish this up quick so they um they did 1825 01:14:39,530 --> 01:14:38,130 a little manifestation I was down there 1826 01:14:41,570 --> 01:14:39,540 at the river and actually got a little 1827 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:41,580 uncomfortable it was so like the energy 1828 01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,770 was so amped up everyone was like yeah 1829 01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:44,880 they're gonna appear right there and 1830 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:46,710 everyone's every not everyone but you 1831 01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:47,730 know so you're basically dealing with a 1832 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:50,220 bunch of abductees all in the middle of 1833 01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:51,690 the night full moon by the lake and 1834 01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:52,770 they're on this little beach and they're 1835 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:53,970 pointing to this guy like it's gonna 1836 01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:55,170 come right there it's gonna be there 1837 01:14:59,480 --> 01:14:56,130 it's gonna be there and I remember like 1838 01:15:01,970 --> 01:14:59,490 I can't get out of here and then I just 1839 01:15:03,890 --> 01:15:01,980 walked away and everyone would whoa it 1840 01:15:05,660 --> 01:15:03,900 was big collective like wow and then 1841 01:15:06,830 --> 01:15:05,670 they they I ran back down there now what 1842 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:06,840 happened what happened is well there was 1843 01:15:10,700 --> 01:15:08,610 this big flash right where we were all 1844 01:15:11,630 --> 01:15:10,710 pointing and and I was like I gave him a 1845 01:15:14,750 --> 01:15:11,640 lot of credit because they were down 1846 01:15:17,150 --> 01:15:14,760 there for an hour and it was cold it was 1847 01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:17,160 like September and it was down by the 1848 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:19,080 lake and it's real far north and it's 1849 01:15:25,580 --> 01:15:23,370 cold so later two women Carol and Pam 1850 01:15:27,500 --> 01:15:25,590 went back down to the lake just to hang 1851 01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:27,510 out they were talking and they're both 1852 01:15:30,500 --> 01:15:29,250 experiencers and they are very close 1853 01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:30,510 friends and they've shared everything 1854 01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:32,520 with each other so they're they just get 1855 01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:34,950 down there and then they it was about 2 1856 01:15:40,190 --> 01:15:36,300 o'clock in the morning when they get 1857 01:15:41,150 --> 01:15:40,200 down there and they're you know and then 1858 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:41,160 they look at the clock and it's like 1859 01:15:46,010 --> 01:15:43,620 it's 4:30 like there's no way 1860 01:15:47,070 --> 01:15:46,020 it's 4:30 how did it get be 4:30 we lost 1861 01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,080 two and a half hours I 1862 01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:49,360 to get to be 4:30 they're like and I and 1863 01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:52,090 my sense is like there is no way you 1864 01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:54,850 could like fall asleep in that spot 1865 01:15:57,480 --> 01:15:56,350 because it was cold and clammy and 1866 01:15:58,410 --> 01:15:57,490 you're down by the water and it would 1867 01:15:59,130 --> 01:15:58,420 have been chilly it was kind of 1868 01:16:00,780 --> 01:15:59,140 bone-chilling 1869 01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:00,790 mmm and they were just sitting there all 1870 01:16:04,050 --> 01:16:01,810 of a sudden two and a half hours are 1871 01:16:05,460 --> 01:16:04,060 gone and they are freaked out and they 1872 01:16:09,180 --> 01:16:05,470 walked back up and everyone was spending 1873 01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:09,190 the night in these tents so there's this 1874 01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:10,570 lawn and it's packed with all these 1875 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:11,890 tents so they go to their tent the sun's 1876 01:16:14,850 --> 01:16:13,570 coming up just barely starting to come 1877 01:16:18,450 --> 01:16:14,860 up at this point so they climb in their 1878 01:16:20,640 --> 01:16:18,460 tent and Carol says this I'll talk had 1879 01:16:24,210 --> 01:16:20,650 been going on all day and they said 1880 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:24,220 let's ask let's ask an owl if something 1881 01:16:29,790 --> 01:16:27,010 really did happen tonight and right at 1882 01:16:31,410 --> 01:16:29,800 that moment who this owl calls and 1883 01:16:32,430 --> 01:16:31,420 they're freaked out and then the next 1884 01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:32,440 thing you know it happens again 1885 01:16:37,050 --> 01:16:34,810 whoo-hoo-hoo it's and it's closed and 1886 01:16:39,570 --> 01:16:37,060 then that then a third time it happens 1887 01:16:41,070 --> 01:16:39,580 it is loud it is right over there tent 1888 01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:41,080 and it's like knocking sticks and 1889 01:16:48,870 --> 01:16:44,800 branches down on their tent cheese so 1890 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:48,880 this happened this happened here's their 1891 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:51,730 so right next to the tent there's a 1892 01:16:56,790 --> 01:16:53,770 fellow named Jack who saw an owl earlier 1893 01:16:58,650 --> 01:16:56,800 that day with his partner Suzanne now 1894 01:17:00,150 --> 01:16:58,660 Jack and I've known Jack for awhile and 1895 01:17:02,130 --> 01:17:00,160 we said and talked and he was drinking a 1896 01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:02,140 beer and it was a total like picnic on 1897 01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:03,730 the lake and he just was sitting in his 1898 01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:05,920 lounge Jeremy says I am turning into my 1899 01:17:10,290 --> 01:17:08,560 dad turning into my dad I just feel my 1900 01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:10,300 dad's presence here right now and he was 1901 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:11,890 all happy about it and he's like oh god 1902 01:17:14,550 --> 01:17:13,210 I'm at that age where I just realized I 1903 01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:14,560 just look in the mirror and I see my dad 1904 01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,930 and he was basically saying like I feel 1905 01:17:24,810 --> 01:17:18,640 my dad since dad had just died not too 1906 01:17:28,530 --> 01:17:24,820 much earlier so so and we're in the so 1907 01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:28,540 the owl so jack is in the next tent so 1908 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:30,400 he has sticks banging down in his tent 1909 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:31,810 and this loud hooting and he grabs his 1910 01:17:39,060 --> 01:17:34,090 phone and looks at the time it's 4:20 1911 01:17:40,710 --> 01:17:39,070 a.m. his dad died on April 20th so he 1912 01:17:42,780 --> 01:17:40,720 had an immediate synchronistic 1913 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:42,790 confirmation right away knew it in his 1914 01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:46,090 bones that was the day my dad died owl 1915 01:17:52,740 --> 01:17:49,930 is the totem of death in many cultures 1916 01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:52,750 it is it is it's not a bad totem but 1917 01:17:59,280 --> 01:17:56,650 it's associated with death the tent 1918 01:18:00,899 --> 01:17:59,290 right next um they asked did we really 1919 01:18:02,850 --> 01:18:00,909 have UFO contact tonight 1920 01:18:05,609 --> 01:18:02,860 BAM instantly they get an answer from an 1921 01:18:07,890 --> 01:18:05,619 owl two tents side-by-side one has the 1922 01:18:09,899 --> 01:18:07,900 totem lure of the UFO abduction 1923 01:18:12,509 --> 01:18:09,909 experience the tent right next to him 1924 01:18:15,419 --> 01:18:12,519 has the totem lure of death 1925 01:18:17,580 --> 01:18:15,429 both people got direct confirmation in 1926 01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:17,590 their I mean there for them they got 1927 01:18:23,339 --> 01:18:20,409 direct confirmation mmm Jack was like 1928 01:18:24,899 --> 01:18:23,349 this is a sign from my dad the two in 1929 01:18:28,649 --> 01:18:24,909 the tent we're like this is a sign for 1930 01:18:31,049 --> 01:18:28,659 the aliens same branch same aisle same 1931 01:18:36,029 --> 01:18:31,059 sticks wow that was quite a coincidence 1932 01:18:37,919 --> 01:18:36,039 huh all happening after you left no I 1933 01:18:39,390 --> 01:18:37,929 was asleep at that point but I didn't 1934 01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:39,400 know I got up the next morning and 1935 01:18:42,959 --> 01:18:42,130 everyone was like Mike you know here we 1936 01:18:46,140 --> 01:18:42,969 got a story for you 1937 01:18:48,149 --> 01:18:46,150 so we have a caller on the line thanks 1938 01:18:49,890 --> 01:18:48,159 so much for being patient and hanging in 1939 01:18:55,140 --> 01:18:49,900 there your first name and where are you 1940 01:18:59,609 --> 01:18:55,150 calling from caller mark hi mark how are 1941 01:19:03,600 --> 01:18:59,619 you were you calling from oh I know 1942 01:19:08,790 --> 01:19:03,610 right where that is no yeah we used to 1943 01:19:13,949 --> 01:19:08,800 live out that way yeah oh this is this 1944 01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:13,959 is mark the mark I know yeah yeah oh hey 1945 01:19:19,409 --> 01:19:16,239 how are you mark is a great musician as 1946 01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:19,419 a matter of fact um the show that I was 1947 01:19:23,729 --> 01:19:21,489 playing the live stream show I play his 1948 01:19:25,469 --> 01:19:23,739 music on it and everyone decided who who 1949 01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:25,479 who did that music that's really 1950 01:19:28,830 --> 01:19:26,409 beautiful 1951 01:19:30,390 --> 01:19:28,840 Mark's a wonderful musician thanks for 1952 01:19:34,169 --> 01:19:30,400 calling mark I'm glad you glad you 1953 01:19:38,459 --> 01:19:34,179 called in so that's okay we still want 1954 01:19:44,669 --> 01:19:38,469 to hear your story my best friend since 1955 01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:44,679 first grade dad I was their family I 1956 01:19:56,129 --> 01:19:53,530 lived in their house and we were kind of 1957 01:19:58,770 --> 01:19:56,139 lower level to their parents house and 1958 01:20:00,089 --> 01:19:58,780 we were sitting in the lower level 1959 01:20:04,169 --> 01:20:00,099 there's a lot of trees around and a 1960 01:20:07,469 --> 01:20:04,179 creek that ran by this level down big 1961 01:20:09,089 --> 01:20:07,479 kind of a lawn area and my daughter nice 1962 01:20:11,639 --> 01:20:09,099 my daughter was about nine years old 1963 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:11,649 down it was dark with night time sat 1964 01:20:17,310 --> 01:20:14,680 down and we were kind of reminiscing 1965 01:20:19,620 --> 01:20:17,320 I just died and you know we were feeling 1966 01:20:24,270 --> 01:20:19,630 kind of sad and talking about his dad 1967 01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:24,280 and said my dad loved Al's and and my 1968 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:25,570 daughter did - she was 1969 01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:29,050 Alfre and within a minute this owl 1970 01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:31,690 swooped down over our head within I mean 1971 01:20:37,110 --> 01:20:35,290 I'm not kidding ten feet and landed in 1972 01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:37,120 this branch on this tree and just sat 1973 01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:38,410 there and looked at it while we were 1974 01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:39,120 talking 1975 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:42,730 Wow hi dad 1976 01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:45,610 I mean I know it sounds contrived but I 1977 01:20:50,730 --> 01:20:47,320 mean I swear to God that happened I mean 1978 01:20:54,740 --> 01:20:50,740 it was just the weirdest it's actually 1979 01:20:57,810 --> 01:20:54,750 scared my daughter she wanted to leave 1980 01:21:00,210 --> 01:20:57,820 because it was just so bizarre that we 1981 01:21:03,150 --> 01:21:00,220 were talking about these owls and this 1982 01:21:05,700 --> 01:21:03,160 thing within a minute or whatever swoops 1983 01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:05,710 down over our heads almost touching that 1984 01:21:08,820 --> 01:21:07,210 you can hear the wings flapping as it 1985 01:21:11,190 --> 01:21:08,830 went up into this branch near us and 1986 01:21:13,950 --> 01:21:11,200 just sat there anyway 1987 01:21:17,070 --> 01:21:13,960 wow that was my story with the same sort 1988 01:21:21,150 --> 01:21:17,080 of thing with this head well what you've 1989 01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:21,160 just described is absolutely common I 1990 01:21:26,010 --> 01:21:24,250 have collected so many accounts of and 1991 01:21:27,420 --> 01:21:26,020 not just owls I will seem to be done 1992 01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:27,430 there sort of arriving because I'm 1993 01:21:33,420 --> 01:21:28,870 asking for him but I have other birds 1994 01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:33,430 too but owls um were people especially a 1995 01:21:38,340 --> 01:21:36,250 parent an owl will show up shortly after 1996 01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:38,350 the death of a parent and and the people 1997 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:40,510 will talk to the owl as if it's their 1998 01:21:52,290 --> 01:21:43,570 mother or father this is extremely 1999 01:21:53,550 --> 01:21:52,300 common yeah so here I was so so I'll 2000 01:21:54,780 --> 01:21:53,560 tell a story that this happened to me 2001 01:21:56,370 --> 01:21:54,790 I've never told this one it's in the 2002 01:22:00,810 --> 01:21:56,380 book and I just incautious to tell it on 2003 01:22:02,580 --> 01:22:00,820 a podcast but so um in 2012 my mom died 2004 01:22:04,650 --> 01:22:02,590 it was she had been suffering with a 2005 01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:04,660 terrible illness for years and years and 2006 01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:07,210 years and she was in her 80s and it was 2007 01:22:10,710 --> 01:22:09,370 a blessing that she passed I was sitting 2008 01:22:11,790 --> 01:22:10,720 and holding her hand and my sister was 2009 01:22:13,620 --> 01:22:11,800 on the other side of the bed holding her 2010 01:22:14,820 --> 01:22:13,630 other hand and my brother was just 2011 01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:14,830 happened to be out of the hospital room 2012 01:22:20,700 --> 01:22:17,140 at the time but so the family was there 2013 01:22:23,250 --> 01:22:20,710 she passed I was in the middle of this 2014 01:22:25,710 --> 01:22:23,260 owl research this is 2012 is just 2015 01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:25,720 starting I would sit with my I was there 2016 01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:27,760 for for a few weeks with my sister and I 2017 01:22:29,940 --> 01:22:28,180 would 2018 01:22:32,370 --> 01:22:29,950 every morning we drink coffee leading up 2019 01:22:34,020 --> 01:22:32,380 to this and I would open my email and I 2020 01:22:35,580 --> 01:22:34,030 would read an owl story and she you 2021 01:22:36,900 --> 01:22:35,590 could see my sister getting out of 2022 01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:36,910 comfort of home like Jeannie this 2023 01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:39,040 happens every day I get a story like 2024 01:22:47,490 --> 01:22:41,620 this every day and I would read these 2025 01:22:49,020 --> 01:22:47,500 weird stories about owls and so that 2026 01:22:50,670 --> 01:22:49,030 happened at like 3:00 in the morning and 2027 01:22:52,380 --> 01:22:50,680 the next day it was just like we were 2028 01:22:54,090 --> 01:22:52,390 trying to sleep and trying to deal with 2029 01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:54,100 arrangements and it was my brother 2030 01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:55,660 sister and I and we're all adults and 2031 01:23:00,060 --> 01:22:57,760 we're all and a my both my brother and 2032 01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:00,070 sister are a little late 2033 01:23:06,450 --> 01:23:03,490 I can I know they don't they don't quite 2034 01:23:11,190 --> 01:23:06,460 follow what I'm doing in the inn and and 2035 01:23:12,690 --> 01:23:11,200 I that night we were sitting on the deck 2036 01:23:14,790 --> 01:23:12,700 and my sister lives in North Carolina 2037 01:23:16,110 --> 01:23:14,800 was in the south and it was on this you 2038 01:23:18,810 --> 01:23:16,120 know that just a neighborhood but it was 2039 01:23:21,090 --> 01:23:18,820 warm and we're drinking a glass of wine 2040 01:23:23,810 --> 01:23:21,100 in this couch and the back deck and all 2041 01:23:26,130 --> 01:23:23,820 of all three of us are exhausted and 2042 01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:26,140 Jeannie's best friend my sister's best 2043 01:23:31,740 --> 01:23:28,900 friend is named Ruthie she is sitting 2044 01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:31,750 across from us and leading up to this I 2045 01:23:34,830 --> 01:23:33,100 was thinking like I know there's gonna 2046 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:34,840 be some owls synchronicity something 2047 01:23:41,850 --> 01:23:38,610 with an owl is gonna show up and Ruthie 2048 01:23:43,500 --> 01:23:41,860 kind of says to all three of us so we're 2049 01:23:44,940 --> 01:23:43,510 all sitting three in a couch and Ruthie 2050 01:23:46,500 --> 01:23:44,950 is sitting directly across from us I'm 2051 01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,510 sitting in the middle my brothers on one 2052 01:23:51,870 --> 01:23:49,440 side my sister's on the other and she 2053 01:23:55,650 --> 01:23:51,880 says she's very proper very southern she 2054 01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:55,660 says I have a story to tell I know there 2055 01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:57,850 is an afterlife I know that there was an 2056 01:24:02,070 --> 01:23:59,760 afterlife and that is good and I know 2057 01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:02,080 because of an experience I had with an 2058 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:04,810 owl and right at that moment my brother 2059 01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:06,970 and sister just flinch 2060 01:24:10,740 --> 01:24:08,980 you can see them like they they just 2061 01:24:11,730 --> 01:24:10,750 like my sister literally did the thing 2062 01:24:13,620 --> 01:24:11,740 where she put her hands over the years 2063 01:24:15,300 --> 01:24:13,630 like no no no no no like like like I 2064 01:24:16,650 --> 01:24:15,310 don't want to hear this and and you 2065 01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:16,660 could see the look on Ruthie's face like 2066 01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:19,090 what did I just say and I was I had to 2067 01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:21,190 interrupt like Ruthie my brother and 2068 01:24:26,100 --> 01:24:23,830 sister are have heard it from me but I'm 2069 01:24:27,780 --> 01:24:26,110 doing all research in how its associated 2070 01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:27,790 with paranormal events and one of the 2071 01:24:30,690 --> 01:24:29,140 things that's associated with is with 2072 01:24:32,130 --> 01:24:30,700 death and I want to hear your story and 2073 01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:32,140 she says okay 2074 01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:34,480 her daddy died her dad died she called 2075 01:24:39,540 --> 01:24:37,120 him daddy her dad died and she said she 2076 01:24:41,700 --> 01:24:39,550 very proper very southern she was very 2077 01:24:42,060 --> 01:24:41,710 soft-spoken she said I was grieving I 2078 01:24:43,979 --> 01:24:42,070 would 2079 01:24:45,209 --> 01:24:43,989 walk this trail this nature trail 2080 01:24:46,950 --> 01:24:45,219 there's a little nature trail around the 2081 01:24:49,140 --> 01:24:46,960 neighborhood I would walk this nature 2082 01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:49,150 trail every day as part of my grieving 2083 01:24:52,859 --> 01:24:50,770 process to come to terms with my 2084 01:24:54,240 --> 01:24:52,869 father's death and every day there was 2085 01:24:55,919 --> 01:24:54,250 an owl on a branch and I always thought 2086 01:24:58,609 --> 01:24:55,929 it was so strange because I really don't 2087 01:25:01,260 --> 01:24:58,619 come out in the day and then finally 2088 01:25:05,729 --> 01:25:01,270 there was a point when she stopped in 2089 01:25:06,180 --> 01:25:05,739 front of this owl and she said daddy is 2090 01:25:10,250 --> 01:25:06,190 that you 2091 01:25:16,530 --> 01:25:10,260 and she locked eyes with this owl and 2092 01:25:20,819 --> 01:25:16,540 she had the transcendent moment of the 2093 01:25:23,220 --> 01:25:20,829 grief evaporating and the owl flew off 2094 01:25:24,780 --> 01:25:23,230 she never saw the owl again and she 2095 01:25:26,669 --> 01:25:24,790 worked through her grieving process she 2096 01:25:29,550 --> 01:25:26,679 talked to the owl as if it was her 2097 01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:29,560 father for a few minutes there so that 2098 01:25:34,050 --> 01:25:33,070 happened that was my that was that I'm 2099 01:25:36,660 --> 01:25:34,060 convinced 2100 01:25:39,569 --> 01:25:36,670 whatever the grand architects of reality 2101 01:25:41,790 --> 01:25:39,579 put that story in place at that moment 2102 01:25:43,290 --> 01:25:41,800 so I was sitting there on the couch with 2103 01:25:45,180 --> 01:25:43,300 my brother and sister and we all could 2104 01:25:47,850 --> 01:25:45,190 hear that story from someone they 2105 01:25:49,919 --> 01:25:47,860 trusted and and so that was a powerful 2106 01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:49,929 beautiful experience Rosie treats the 2107 01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:52,020 experience as something absolutely 2108 01:25:57,959 --> 01:25:54,610 beautiful like a gift from God that owl 2109 01:26:00,689 --> 01:25:57,969 and so that is the power of the mythic 2110 01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:00,699 power of the owl and and it's it's not 2111 01:26:04,319 --> 01:26:02,500 an ancient archetype it's not an ancient 2112 01:26:07,109 --> 01:26:04,329 fable that's way off in the distance 2113 01:26:10,379 --> 01:26:07,119 these are happening right now to real 2114 01:26:14,459 --> 01:26:10,389 people these stories you think the wise 2115 01:26:18,979 --> 01:26:14,469 old wise old al King because of that 2116 01:26:21,839 --> 01:26:18,989 because then being wise and being our 2117 01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:21,849 ancestors in the fence well the wise owl 2118 01:26:25,709 --> 01:26:24,130 definitely traces back to Athena the 2119 01:26:27,060 --> 01:26:25,719 Greek goddess of wisdom that's where we 2120 01:26:30,180 --> 01:26:27,070 get the that's where Athens in Greece 2121 01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:30,190 gets its name as from from from Athena 2122 01:26:34,319 --> 01:26:33,040 Athena had a little owl that would perch 2123 01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:34,329 on her arm and there's actually a 2124 01:26:38,250 --> 01:26:36,489 species of alcohol the little owl it's a 2125 01:26:40,919 --> 01:26:38,260 tiny little owl it's this delicate 2126 01:26:44,669 --> 01:26:40,929 little funny cute owl and that was her 2127 01:26:47,310 --> 01:26:44,679 totem that was her companion so you know 2128 01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:47,320 that's okay close to 4,000 years ago 2129 01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:49,690 3,000 years ago let's say and and now 2130 01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:52,000 3,000 years later you still have Al's 2131 01:26:55,410 --> 01:26:53,770 you know thumbtack to the bolt board in 2132 01:26:55,949 --> 01:26:55,420 elementary school when at the end of 2133 01:26:57,359 --> 01:26:55,959 each school 2134 01:26:59,969 --> 01:26:57,369 because people are graduating from 2135 01:27:02,129 --> 01:26:59,979 school so this same totem the same 2136 01:27:07,049 --> 01:27:02,139 mythology is still alive still present 2137 01:27:09,689 --> 01:27:07,059 the wise owl my sense is I can't prove 2138 01:27:11,339 --> 01:27:09,699 this it's just my what a you know sort 2139 01:27:14,129 --> 01:27:11,349 of a thought experiment is that these 2140 01:27:14,850 --> 01:27:14,139 ancient experiences this is not the I 2141 01:27:16,979 --> 01:27:14,860 mean whatever 2142 01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:16,989 Ruthy having that experience with an owl 2143 01:27:21,239 --> 01:27:19,360 I'm convinced that this has been going 2144 01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:21,249 on all over the world since time began 2145 01:27:26,219 --> 01:27:23,920 since we were the caves and these 2146 01:27:27,989 --> 01:27:26,229 experiences oftentimes not necessarily 2147 01:27:30,390 --> 01:27:27,999 just with death but with other things 2148 01:27:31,259 --> 01:27:30,400 with with challenging moments in 2149 01:27:34,679 --> 01:27:31,269 people's lives 2150 01:27:36,899 --> 01:27:34,689 that this is where these the mythology 2151 01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:36,909 emerged from those were the seeds these 2152 01:27:41,929 --> 01:27:39,070 real life experiences were the seeds 2153 01:27:46,679 --> 01:27:41,939 that later you know grew a crop of 2154 01:27:48,689 --> 01:27:46,689 mythology great hey Mark thanks so much 2155 01:27:49,429 --> 01:27:48,699 for the calls it's good to actually hear 2156 01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:49,439 from you 2157 01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:52,840 Thank You Martin take care all right you 2158 01:27:59,850 --> 01:27:56,800 too you know speaking of summit if 2159 01:28:04,290 --> 01:27:59,860 someone just sent some things in the 2160 01:28:06,359 --> 01:28:04,300 chat room about like communication now 2161 01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:06,369 your first book was called messengers 2162 01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:09,130 did that have anything to do with any 2163 01:28:15,779 --> 01:28:13,090 type of telepathy or have there been 2164 01:28:18,870 --> 01:28:15,789 reports of telepathy that you know like 2165 01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,880 people say you know through abductions 2166 01:28:23,729 --> 01:28:21,280 or if they have some close encounter 2167 01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:23,739 that they have you know like a vision or 2168 01:28:28,529 --> 01:28:27,130 some type of telepathy there's a few 2169 01:28:30,209 --> 01:28:28,539 accounts in the in the in the book of 2170 01:28:36,049 --> 01:28:30,219 telepathy between the owl there's a 2171 01:28:39,029 --> 01:28:36,059 wonderful story of a woman and she's 2172 01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:39,039 trying a complete blank on her name she 2173 01:28:43,229 --> 01:28:40,239 wrote the book she was she coined the 2174 01:28:44,879 --> 01:28:43,239 term Exopolitics I'm drawing a blank on 2175 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:44,889 her name right now I feel so bad I'll 2176 01:28:49,199 --> 01:28:47,130 remember it before the stories up she 2177 01:28:54,029 --> 01:28:49,209 very early on she was living in Phoenix 2178 01:28:56,310 --> 01:28:54,039 very early on in her her life experience 2179 01:28:57,899 --> 01:28:56,320 with she was coming to terms with her 2180 01:29:00,810 --> 01:28:57,909 contact experiences she was basically 2181 01:29:02,370 --> 01:29:00,820 like like coming to terms at that point 2182 01:29:04,379 --> 01:29:02,380 that she had been having abduction 2183 01:29:05,819 --> 01:29:04,389 experiences contact experiences 2184 01:29:08,219 --> 01:29:05,829 she's very cautious she doesn't like to 2185 01:29:13,350 --> 01:29:08,229 use the term abduction 2186 01:29:15,089 --> 01:29:13,360 and she was walking out of a like just 2187 01:29:16,890 --> 01:29:15,099 in a strip mall in the suburbs of 2188 01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,900 Phoenix and she looked up and on a 2189 01:29:21,149 --> 01:29:18,639 telephone but not a pole on a light post 2190 01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:21,159 was an owl and it was big and she looked 2191 01:29:24,870 --> 01:29:22,300 up at it and I looked down at her and 2192 01:29:27,870 --> 01:29:24,880 she got a direct telepathic message and 2193 01:29:31,560 --> 01:29:27,880 it was the the came from the owl that 2194 01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:31,570 was you are not who you seemed to be hmm 2195 01:29:38,729 --> 01:29:37,449 which is wonderful and um and then so 2196 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:38,739 yes and I have a handful of stories 2197 01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:40,090 where the owls give these sort of 2198 01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,130 cryptic messages one woman went hiking 2199 01:29:45,870 --> 01:29:43,840 she went on a hike and she felt she'd 2200 01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:45,880 had a UFO contact experiences and she 2201 01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:48,159 was like today is the day I am going to 2202 01:29:52,770 --> 01:29:50,409 meet an alien I know it I know today's 2203 01:29:54,509 --> 01:29:52,780 the day so she and she'd also been doing 2204 01:29:59,219 --> 01:29:54,519 a lot of ferry research like ancient 2205 01:30:01,919 --> 01:29:59,229 fairy lore and um she goes into the 2206 01:30:03,299 --> 01:30:01,929 woods and she's kind of taken it's like 2207 01:30:04,770 --> 01:30:03,309 now I feel like I should walk off the 2208 01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:04,780 path and she walks in sort of goes 2209 01:30:07,410 --> 01:30:06,159 through the woods and says Oh walk a 2210 01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:07,420 little over here so she kind of gets 2211 01:30:10,350 --> 01:30:09,280 this kind of drawn over here since she 2212 01:30:11,669 --> 01:30:10,360 kind of feels like oh I'm supposed to 2213 01:30:12,899 --> 01:30:11,679 sit on this rock and she sits on the 2214 01:30:14,189 --> 01:30:12,909 rock well no I'm not quite here a little 2215 01:30:16,069 --> 01:30:14,199 over to the left oh not that far left a 2216 01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:16,079 little back and just so she sits there 2217 01:30:20,219 --> 01:30:18,489 it's like what am I doing here and then 2218 01:30:22,979 --> 01:30:20,229 she realizes where she's sitting there's 2219 01:30:25,020 --> 01:30:22,989 like a little tunnel in the bushes the 2220 01:30:26,430 --> 01:30:25,030 one spot where she could sit and sort of 2221 01:30:28,259 --> 01:30:26,440 see through this tunnel that's kind of 2222 01:30:30,989 --> 01:30:28,269 little gully and there's a tunnel on the 2223 01:30:34,459 --> 01:30:30,999 other side of bushes so she's lined up 2224 01:30:39,390 --> 01:30:34,469 in locked eyes with a great horned owl 2225 01:30:42,689 --> 01:30:39,400 and her first thought she thought it in 2226 01:30:45,810 --> 01:30:42,699 her mind was like are you an alien or 2227 01:30:49,489 --> 01:30:45,820 are you a fairy and she got the direct 2228 01:30:53,310 --> 01:30:49,499 telepathic message why can't I be both 2229 01:30:56,279 --> 01:30:53,320 you're both which is wonderful which is 2230 01:30:58,259 --> 01:30:56,289 another like perfect like Zen Cohen of 2231 01:31:00,149 --> 01:30:58,269 an answer which is exactly what emerges 2232 01:31:02,370 --> 01:31:00,159 from these stories so yes the answer is 2233 01:31:04,410 --> 01:31:02,380 there's some though it doesn't happen 2234 01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:04,420 very often telepathic messages that come 2235 01:31:07,410 --> 01:31:06,249 from all the messengers the reason the 2236 01:31:09,060 --> 01:31:07,420 book has titled two messengers is 2237 01:31:11,910 --> 01:31:09,070 because that's what was showing up in my 2238 01:31:13,620 --> 01:31:11,920 my stories people would just say well I 2239 01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:13,630 saw an owl and they would call it the 2240 01:31:16,199 --> 01:31:15,130 owl in the first sentence and then they 2241 01:31:17,969 --> 01:31:16,209 would call it the messenger in the 2242 01:31:20,669 --> 01:31:17,979 second sentence I was delivering a 2243 01:31:21,779 --> 01:31:20,679 message yeah so presently present-day so 2244 01:31:27,930 --> 01:31:21,789 this is back to this myth 2245 01:31:30,569 --> 01:31:27,940 um Harry Potter has an owl that delivers 2246 01:31:32,819 --> 01:31:30,579 the mail it's perfect right this is 2247 01:31:34,410 --> 01:31:32,829 modern day this is present-day mythology 2248 01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:34,420 mythology in our pop culture right it's 2249 01:31:39,330 --> 01:31:37,360 a it's a it's a series of books also a 2250 01:31:41,399 --> 01:31:39,340 series of movies Harry Potter has an owl 2251 01:31:43,109 --> 01:31:41,409 that delivers the mail it could not be 2252 01:31:43,649 --> 01:31:43,119 cleaner it's it's a messenger it's 2253 01:31:46,799 --> 01:31:43,659 perfect 2254 01:31:49,410 --> 01:31:46,809 and then I follow that up with JK 2255 01:31:53,069 --> 01:31:49,420 Rowling if you spell it out has write in 2256 01:31:54,660 --> 01:31:53,079 her name I don't that's a that's a tiny 2257 01:31:56,069 --> 01:31:54,670 little synchronicity I don't I'm not 2258 01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:56,079 gonna start a new religion on that one 2259 01:32:00,959 --> 01:31:58,239 but um but that I that to me is more of 2260 01:32:02,669 --> 01:32:00,969 how my brain works rather than then you 2261 01:32:05,069 --> 01:32:02,679 know what what really might be there so 2262 01:32:07,410 --> 01:32:05,079 so a lot of this I've heard the word 2263 01:32:09,839 --> 01:32:07,420 synchronicity and I do remember there 2264 01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:09,849 this that's a lot of what this is about 2265 01:32:14,339 --> 01:32:12,489 right well the first book has 2266 01:32:17,100 --> 01:32:14,349 synchronicity right in the title and and 2267 01:32:20,370 --> 01:32:17,110 so synchronicity is a term coined by 2268 01:32:24,660 --> 01:32:20,380 Carl Jung to describe a meaningful 2269 01:32:25,890 --> 01:32:24,670 coincidence where we're you know sure 2270 01:32:28,319 --> 01:32:25,900 that you can have a coincidence but if 2271 01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:28,329 there's some deeper meaning to the to 2272 01:32:35,060 --> 01:32:32,409 the coincidence that's when it um that's 2273 01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:35,070 when I sort of pay attention to it now 2274 01:32:44,430 --> 01:32:41,710 the you go to a UFO conference and you 2275 01:32:46,169 --> 01:32:44,440 talk to someone and yes someone has UFO 2276 01:32:47,430 --> 01:32:46,179 contact experiences you see do you have 2277 01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:47,440 a lot of synchronicities in your life 2278 01:32:51,689 --> 01:32:50,110 people just roll their eyes like they 2279 01:32:53,879 --> 01:32:51,699 you like they say I have so many 2280 01:32:57,629 --> 01:32:53,889 synchronicities it's off the chart so 2281 01:32:59,669 --> 01:32:57,639 every and I'm I feel strongly sayings 2282 01:33:02,100 --> 01:32:59,679 the people who have had UFO contact 2283 01:33:04,189 --> 01:33:02,110 experiences have an increased amount of 2284 01:33:06,419 --> 01:33:04,199 synchronicity now I've said that before 2285 01:33:08,189 --> 01:33:06,429 ever said this to a close friend and she 2286 01:33:09,720 --> 01:33:08,199 rolled her eyes and she's she's pretty 2287 01:33:11,069 --> 01:33:09,730 smart and savvy about these things and 2288 01:33:13,500 --> 01:33:11,079 she rolled her eyes and she said listen 2289 01:33:16,379 --> 01:33:13,510 anyone on a spiritual path will have a 2290 01:33:17,759 --> 01:33:16,389 lot of synchronicities and that little 2291 01:33:20,279 --> 01:33:17,769 bell went off in my head and like well 2292 01:33:24,450 --> 01:33:20,289 following that logic then the UFO 2293 01:33:29,399 --> 01:33:24,460 contact is a spiritual path you know so 2294 01:33:31,859 --> 01:33:29,409 that that and so I've been I've been 2295 01:33:33,870 --> 01:33:31,869 framing it to a degree for framing my 2296 01:33:35,030 --> 01:33:33,880 research and framing how I do this that 2297 01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:35,040 you know 2298 01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:38,130 this is a challenging experience to have 2299 01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:42,210 UFO contact it's not easy and it is it 2300 01:33:45,770 --> 01:33:44,460 is and the people who have talked to who 2301 01:33:47,930 --> 01:33:45,780 have had this experience it's not a 2302 01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:47,940 hundred percent though many have come 2303 01:33:53,140 --> 01:33:51,330 out the other end like really wonderful 2304 01:33:55,250 --> 01:33:53,150 big-hearted people that are doing 2305 01:33:56,510 --> 01:33:55,260 healing work that was one of the things 2306 01:33:59,410 --> 01:33:56,520 that showed up in the second book all 2307 01:34:02,630 --> 01:33:59,420 these people are doing this this this 2308 01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:02,640 altruistic healing work where they can 2309 01:34:06,290 --> 01:34:03,930 some of them are nurses and hospitals 2310 01:34:09,350 --> 01:34:06,300 and some of them are doing like you know 2311 01:34:15,190 --> 01:34:09,360 Reiki work in in in like new-age clinics 2312 01:34:17,300 --> 01:34:15,200 so it seems to me that when I was 2313 01:34:18,830 --> 01:34:17,310 talking I'm trying to remember the 2314 01:34:22,130 --> 01:34:18,840 gentleman's name that wrote a book on 2315 01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:22,140 the flatwoods monster but someone had 2316 01:34:26,150 --> 01:34:24,210 said something about that being an owl 2317 01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:26,160 had you ever heard that story yeah I 2318 01:34:29,780 --> 01:34:27,690 covered that briefly in the first book 2319 01:34:31,370 --> 01:34:29,790 where though so what it was was that the 2320 01:34:32,780 --> 01:34:31,380 debunker said you know so the people are 2321 01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:32,790 in the woods and they see this like 2322 01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:35,730 15-foot tall robot that is like belching 2323 01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:38,070 flames and yes Moke and stuff like that 2324 01:34:43,340 --> 01:34:40,650 and then and they said the color was 2325 01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:43,350 basically grey of this big robot monster 2326 01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:47,820 thing and and and the debunker said oh 2327 01:34:52,160 --> 01:34:50,460 you just saw a great horned owl which is 2328 01:34:53,570 --> 01:34:52,170 kind of demeaning right I mean you would 2329 01:34:56,060 --> 01:34:53,580 think that you know people living in a 2330 01:34:59,420 --> 01:34:56,070 rural spot had seen owls before and also 2331 01:35:01,220 --> 01:34:59,430 the the debunkers wrote off the the 2332 01:35:03,320 --> 01:35:01,230 Mothman sightings as a great horned or 2333 01:35:04,700 --> 01:35:03,330 great gray owls I was just gonna ask you 2334 01:35:06,830 --> 01:35:04,710 that question that's so weird I was 2335 01:35:09,440 --> 01:35:06,840 gonna ask you if you thought that any 2336 01:35:11,810 --> 01:35:09,450 part of the people mentioning the 2337 01:35:13,610 --> 01:35:11,820 Mothman sightings had anything to do 2338 01:35:17,690 --> 01:35:13,620 with the similarity of what you're 2339 01:35:19,550 --> 01:35:17,700 looking into well this people have 2340 01:35:21,110 --> 01:35:19,560 compared the book to John keel in a way 2341 01:35:25,130 --> 01:35:21,120 because I'm going down those avenues 2342 01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:25,140 where I'm really like letting my and I'm 2343 01:35:28,790 --> 01:35:26,850 speculating I don't have any answers but 2344 01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:28,800 I'm going down the avenue of just let's 2345 01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:31,080 let's pull in all the weirdness all the 2346 01:35:35,690 --> 01:35:32,940 associated weirdness which is what qu'il 2347 01:35:38,810 --> 01:35:35,700 did in the Mothman Prophecies so it's so 2348 01:35:40,250 --> 01:35:38,820 there's you know what I do is silly in a 2349 01:35:43,070 --> 01:35:40,260 ways I just buy the books on Kindle 2350 01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:43,080 right then you can type in owl and you 2351 01:35:47,570 --> 01:35:45,810 can just find search the whole book hmm 2352 01:35:48,589 --> 01:35:47,580 you know for and I like these books and 2353 01:35:50,089 --> 01:35:48,599 so for you know 2354 01:35:52,609 --> 01:35:50,099 seven dollars or something like that I 2355 01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,619 can I can get the book fine search it 2356 01:35:56,659 --> 01:35:54,719 and look and see if all shows up so owl 2357 01:36:00,379 --> 01:35:56,669 does show up in the Mothman Prophecies 2358 01:36:01,819 --> 01:36:00,389 in the Silver Bridge but it's mostly 2359 01:36:03,799 --> 01:36:01,829 just the fact that the debunkers were 2360 01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:03,809 dismissing it is like oh these you know 2361 01:36:07,729 --> 01:36:05,550 country yokels they just saw a big owl 2362 01:36:13,129 --> 01:36:07,739 and that's what they think it is which I 2363 01:36:14,599 --> 01:36:13,139 don't think is true yeah Wow so let's we 2364 01:36:17,599 --> 01:36:14,609 have still we have about twenty minutes 2365 01:36:20,179 --> 01:36:17,609 left and I saw Bobby he calls in the 2366 01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:20,189 show he just came in just got out of 2367 01:36:26,209 --> 01:36:23,010 work you we're talking owls Bobby if 2368 01:36:27,649 --> 01:36:26,219 you'd like to give us a call anyone can 2369 01:36:30,679 --> 01:36:27,659 call in and that numbers up on the 2370 01:36:35,089 --> 01:36:30,689 screen always good to hear from him and 2371 01:36:36,830 --> 01:36:35,099 other people that call in often let's 2372 01:36:38,929 --> 01:36:36,840 hear another one of the stories that I 2373 01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:38,939 love these stories okay hold on me just 2374 01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:40,050 got open the book here in the lights 2375 01:36:43,429 --> 01:36:42,179 because I this I could some of it some 2376 01:36:44,509 --> 01:36:43,439 of them take an hour to tell so I don't 2377 01:36:48,589 --> 01:36:44,519 want to I don't want to I don't have the 2378 01:36:51,770 --> 01:36:48,599 time for those there's a woman named 2379 01:36:54,109 --> 01:36:51,780 Susan McLeod and she this is interesting 2380 01:36:55,909 --> 01:36:54,119 cuz she cuz like the the core story the 2381 01:36:58,520 --> 01:36:55,919 sort of big story of the book doesn't 2382 01:37:00,049 --> 01:36:58,530 have any owls in it but she had been 2383 01:37:01,939 --> 01:37:00,059 seeing owls around their house she has 2384 01:37:03,379 --> 01:37:01,949 wonderful owl stories where she's a 2385 01:37:06,649 --> 01:37:03,389 healer she's one of these wonderful 2386 01:37:08,449 --> 01:37:06,659 shamanic radiant people she had someone 2387 01:37:10,339 --> 01:37:08,459 over their house and and and these two 2388 01:37:12,169 --> 01:37:10,349 people had just lost their spouses you 2389 01:37:13,939 --> 01:37:12,179 know some people the death and they said 2390 01:37:17,229 --> 01:37:13,949 let's they went into the backyard and 2391 01:37:19,879 --> 01:37:17,239 prayed and they said like like my 2392 01:37:21,979 --> 01:37:19,889 husband loved owls and the other person 2393 01:37:24,139 --> 01:37:21,989 said my wife loved owls let's see an owl 2394 01:37:26,209 --> 01:37:24,149 then boom and our lands on a branch and 2395 01:37:27,290 --> 01:37:26,219 they walked right up to it and they took 2396 01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:27,300 pictures of it and they've got these 2397 01:37:30,589 --> 01:37:29,129 amazing pictures like close like right 2398 01:37:34,879 --> 01:37:30,599 so they said they sat there for half 2399 01:37:36,799 --> 01:37:34,889 hour and and cried and and so this is on 2400 01:37:38,089 --> 01:37:36,809 the land this is the house basically so 2401 01:37:41,449 --> 01:37:38,099 she's owls stories that are associated 2402 01:37:43,759 --> 01:37:41,459 but here's the story she there were a 2403 01:37:45,649 --> 01:37:43,769 friend of her died she had a close 2404 01:37:47,299 --> 01:37:45,659 friend who'd had died and she was part 2405 01:37:48,979 --> 01:37:47,309 Native America where she's Canadian so 2406 01:37:50,989 --> 01:37:48,989 she has part of the share trace her 2407 01:37:53,839 --> 01:37:50,999 lineage back to the Mi'kmaq tribe which 2408 01:37:56,750 --> 01:37:53,849 is a tribe in northern Maine and that 2409 01:38:00,750 --> 01:37:56,760 part of Ontario and Quebec so she's an 2410 01:38:04,140 --> 01:38:00,760 Ontario she 2411 01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:04,150 it has a teepee on a property so she as 2412 01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:07,449 part of the grieving ceremony she burned 2413 01:38:10,950 --> 01:38:08,800 some sage led a fire 2414 01:38:15,419 --> 01:38:10,960 sang pounded the drum she's in the 2415 01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:15,429 teepee it's late at night and her she 2416 01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:16,570 feels like something brush against the 2417 01:38:20,850 --> 01:38:18,760 side of the teepee it's big she's like 2418 01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:20,860 oh my god there's a bear out there like 2419 01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:23,440 and so she peeks out the teepee she's 2420 01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:25,449 like I I'm gonna I'm gonna walk back to 2421 01:38:29,310 --> 01:38:27,489 the house she steak takes a few steps 2422 01:38:32,899 --> 01:38:29,320 out of the tepee and right in the path 2423 01:38:34,830 --> 01:38:32,909 is a family of five sasquatch big 2424 01:38:36,330 --> 01:38:34,840 Sasquatch like right in the path and 2425 01:38:37,799 --> 01:38:36,340 they're staring at her and there's light 2426 01:38:42,509 --> 01:38:37,809 they lock eyes and she has this moment 2427 01:38:44,399 --> 01:38:42,519 of like is this my time am i dead did I 2428 01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:44,409 die and then she's like backs back up 2429 01:38:47,009 --> 01:38:45,730 into the tepee and just like holy crap 2430 01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:47,019 was like and then it really scares him 2431 01:38:49,919 --> 01:38:48,489 like oh my goodness so she bangs a drum 2432 01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:49,929 really loud she puts a bunch of wood on 2433 01:38:53,160 --> 01:38:51,730 the fire and then she cautiously peeks 2434 01:38:55,649 --> 01:38:53,170 out of the tepee and looks on the path 2435 01:38:56,910 --> 01:38:55,659 and there's nobody there so she she runs 2436 01:39:00,029 --> 01:38:56,920 back up to the house but and when she 2437 01:39:03,180 --> 01:39:00,039 does the same five family of Sasquatch 2438 01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:03,190 are now down away downhill across this 2439 01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:04,960 little creek and they're standing there 2440 01:39:09,540 --> 01:39:07,090 in this pose and she sounds like a pose 2441 01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:09,550 of a of a family portrait there's three 2442 01:39:14,009 --> 01:39:11,440 kids in front and two big adults in the 2443 01:39:15,660 --> 01:39:14,019 back and that's her family two adults 2444 01:39:16,589 --> 01:39:15,670 three kids she gets to the house she 2445 01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:16,599 wants to tell everyone that I just 2446 01:39:19,979 --> 01:39:18,460 solved five Sasquatch in the art she 2447 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:19,989 opens the door and the kids are like mom 2448 01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:21,250 something's going on in the house 2449 01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:22,570 everything's going crazy there's these 2450 01:39:26,669 --> 01:39:24,610 like shadow beings in the house and so 2451 01:39:29,609 --> 01:39:26,679 they tell these like dark shadow beings 2452 01:39:31,740 --> 01:39:29,619 are zipping around the house and and she 2453 01:39:33,839 --> 01:39:31,750 she says she's like him she's like the 2454 01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:33,849 medicine woman of the neighborhood so 2455 01:39:38,580 --> 01:39:35,650 she burns the sage she declares that 2456 01:39:40,109 --> 01:39:38,590 these they're they have to leave she 2457 01:39:41,220 --> 01:39:40,119 can't tell her kids right how does she 2458 01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:41,230 tell her kids her kids are all freaked 2459 01:39:44,759 --> 01:39:43,090 out so she burns sage and she's got it I 2460 01:39:48,540 --> 01:39:44,769 gotta tell my partner so she runs down 2461 01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,550 and her her partner is in the garage and 2462 01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:50,320 he's got a woodworking thing there so 2463 01:39:54,359 --> 01:39:52,210 she runs down and she wants to tell him 2464 01:39:55,859 --> 01:39:54,369 about the Sasquatch that she tries to go 2465 01:39:56,939 --> 01:39:55,869 in but it's the door's locked 2466 01:39:59,040 --> 01:39:56,949 not only is the door locked but he's 2467 01:40:01,049 --> 01:39:59,050 like jammed wood into the door like so 2468 01:40:03,419 --> 01:40:01,059 he's so he can't hear so like just like 2469 01:40:06,180 --> 01:40:03,429 let me in and he's like what the hell is 2470 01:40:07,290 --> 01:40:06,190 going on what what does it what there 2471 01:40:08,970 --> 01:40:07,300 are these shadow beings here in the 2472 01:40:12,140 --> 01:40:08,980 garages are zooming around so she's like 2473 01:40:14,609 --> 01:40:12,150 oh my god here - so she 2474 01:40:17,399 --> 01:40:14,619 she's like what do I so she steps away 2475 01:40:19,890 --> 01:40:17,409 from the garage for a second and she 2476 01:40:21,779 --> 01:40:19,900 looks up to the stars and she she prays 2477 01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,789 she prays to God she's Catholic 2478 01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:23,679 she was raised Catholic she prays to God 2479 01:40:29,009 --> 01:40:26,940 she says I need answers I need help and 2480 01:40:31,859 --> 01:40:29,019 at that moment she's looking up with the 2481 01:40:33,899 --> 01:40:31,869 Stars and this giant triangle is 2482 01:40:36,330 --> 01:40:33,909 blotting out the stars directly above 2483 01:40:38,399 --> 01:40:36,340 her and there's this giant UFO triangle 2484 01:40:40,259 --> 01:40:38,409 and she said it gets lower it's right 2485 01:40:41,790 --> 01:40:40,269 above the trees above her driveway and 2486 01:40:46,830 --> 01:40:41,800 her husband's there he sees it too and 2487 01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:46,840 it's it's it's not physical in like a 2488 01:40:50,850 --> 01:40:49,090 concrete kind of way it's like flitting 2489 01:40:54,149 --> 01:40:50,860 on and out of reality like it's like a 2490 01:40:56,399 --> 01:40:54,159 little like a video that's on static and 2491 01:41:00,990 --> 01:40:56,409 she's like oh my gosh these are like 2492 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:01,000 this is all related so the the sure 2493 01:41:06,209 --> 01:41:04,090 senses the shadow beings aren't like 2494 01:41:08,430 --> 01:41:06,219 members of all that's not something you 2495 01:41:10,259 --> 01:41:08,440 see in a haunted house and the Sasquatch 2496 01:41:13,649 --> 01:41:10,269 aren't big hairy apes that live in the 2497 01:41:18,750 --> 01:41:13,659 woods and the flying saucer or the 2498 01:41:20,759 --> 01:41:18,760 triangle UFOs aren't aren't a spaceship 2499 01:41:23,729 --> 01:41:20,769 from another planet this is all somehow 2500 01:41:26,490 --> 01:41:23,739 inner woven and this is out of sight on 2501 01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:26,500 our property where she has there are so 2502 01:41:31,189 --> 01:41:28,449 many beautiful owl stories I just could 2503 01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:31,199 only tell a few in the book but um so 2504 01:41:36,569 --> 01:41:34,449 this is what so here's a woman her she 2505 01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:36,579 loves owls she has this experiences and 2506 01:41:39,810 --> 01:41:38,530 she's also helping people she's doing a 2507 01:41:43,109 --> 01:41:39,820 lot of volunteer work helping people 2508 01:41:44,759 --> 01:41:43,119 using her psychic skills to you know if 2509 01:41:46,140 --> 01:41:44,769 it's to be believed the way she 2510 01:41:50,970 --> 01:41:46,150 describes to help people like get over 2511 01:41:53,910 --> 01:41:50,980 serious illnesses we we had a we had a 2512 01:41:55,770 --> 01:41:53,920 question come in that's interesting we 2513 01:41:57,540 --> 01:41:55,780 had a question coming to come in about 2514 01:42:00,750 --> 01:41:57,550 deer I know he talked about deer earlier 2515 01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:00,760 and this guy wrote this came in through 2516 01:42:05,310 --> 01:42:03,400 email twice just now twice I've seen 2517 01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:05,320 deer while coming home late at night 2518 01:42:11,939 --> 01:42:08,050 which is normal because we live where 2519 01:42:15,540 --> 01:42:11,949 there are deer all around but all I saw 2520 01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:15,550 was quick in my head lights as I came 2521 01:42:19,589 --> 01:42:17,800 around the corner in the neighbor's yard 2522 01:42:22,169 --> 01:42:19,599 and was looking directly at me so I 2523 01:42:24,850 --> 01:42:22,179 could see the front of the body and both 2524 01:42:27,250 --> 01:42:24,860 times it was tall and unusually thin 2525 01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:27,260 both disappeared when I lost eye contact 2526 01:42:32,380 --> 01:42:29,410 have you ever heard of a story like that 2527 01:42:34,570 --> 01:42:32,390 the answer is well not exactly like that 2528 01:42:36,940 --> 01:42:34,580 but but certainly stories that have the 2529 01:42:38,440 --> 01:42:36,950 same flavor so yes you hear you need 2530 01:42:39,580 --> 01:42:38,450 like there's this story that like I 2531 01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:39,590 can't I can't 2532 01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:42,290 sum up an investigation just by hearing 2533 01:42:47,740 --> 01:42:45,410 that thing but yes so that that's a 2534 01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:47,750 little red flag as me as an investigator 2535 01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:50,330 and a researcher a red flag goes off and 2536 01:42:54,220 --> 01:42:52,370 I'm like ooh there might be more to this 2537 01:42:56,650 --> 01:42:54,230 story my website is called hidden 2538 01:43:00,250 --> 01:42:56,660 experience it's it's my website it's 2539 01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:00,260 based on my own experiences so I'm like 2540 01:43:08,680 --> 01:43:04,490 I would say it's hard to know but that 2541 01:43:10,420 --> 01:43:08,690 would that's very telling excellent I 2542 01:43:13,150 --> 01:43:10,430 have a one friend who saw a gray horse 2543 01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:13,160 he said I know it was a horse or deer he 2544 01:43:16,540 --> 01:43:14,540 was jogging right he was doing a half 2545 01:43:19,180 --> 01:43:16,550 marathon and he said his he measured it 2546 01:43:25,960 --> 01:43:19,190 from his house to the spot and he would 2547 01:43:28,630 --> 01:43:25,970 and he was no he so he was he was he 2548 01:43:29,770 --> 01:43:28,640 drove there and saw he went down the 2549 01:43:33,460 --> 01:43:29,780 road he didn't usually doesn't go down 2550 01:43:35,230 --> 01:43:33,470 and saw this gray horse so it didn't 2551 01:43:36,850 --> 01:43:35,240 make any sense really scared him and he 2552 01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:36,860 got in his car and drove back and he 2553 01:43:40,030 --> 01:43:38,210 like plotted this out he said I'm doing 2554 01:43:42,370 --> 01:43:40,040 a half marathon I can jog to the spot 2555 01:43:43,450 --> 01:43:42,380 and then jog back right that's works out 2556 01:43:45,100 --> 01:43:43,460 that's for training so I know exactly 2557 01:43:47,260 --> 01:43:45,110 the mileage so he gets there 2558 01:43:51,390 --> 01:43:47,270 there's no road there there was no road 2559 01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:51,400 that he went down to see this gray horse 2560 01:43:56,830 --> 01:43:54,770 that is scare him yes so this is the 2561 01:43:58,120 --> 01:43:56,840 kind of this is this is and as I said 2562 01:43:59,680 --> 01:43:58,130 before this is the kind of stuff that 2563 01:44:02,590 --> 01:43:59,690 floats my boat these are the stories I 2564 01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:02,600 love these weird open-ended stories we 2565 01:44:06,850 --> 01:44:05,170 have another call just in that right now 2566 01:44:09,910 --> 01:44:06,860 good timing 2567 01:44:15,930 --> 01:44:09,920 welcome to the show and please give your 2568 01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:25,450 welcome hi just a short message I had a 2569 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:34,510 new sighting and three weeks ago and 2570 01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:37,450 afterwards I suddenly heard our 2571 01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:43,840 two thing that was all Wow isn't it like 2572 01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:45,730 three o'clock in the morning for you 2573 01:44:54,170 --> 01:44:49,900 right now yes it is yes that's right 2574 01:44:59,760 --> 01:44:54,180 yeah I'm following the show thank you 2575 01:45:02,400 --> 01:44:59,770 yeah Mike you wanna fight you know I'm 2576 01:45:06,110 --> 01:45:02,410 living in the city and it's very unusual 2577 01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:06,120 to hear ours I mean I have never heard 2578 01:45:18,420 --> 01:45:15,370 all of my life before you know so I 2579 01:45:20,460 --> 01:45:18,430 cannot like answer what may have been 2580 01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:20,470 going on here but what I can say is that 2581 01:45:25,290 --> 01:45:23,530 from my experience doing this sort of 2582 01:45:28,530 --> 01:45:25,300 research I think you should take that 2583 01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:28,540 UFO sighting seriously if this our lives 2584 01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:31,450 it is yes and and I so and can you tell 2585 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:34,530 me more about the sighting what happened 2586 01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:37,450 well nothing much you know but I've been 2587 01:45:46,380 --> 01:45:40,960 having dreams before and useful 2588 01:45:51,090 --> 01:45:46,390 sightings several actually and well this 2589 01:45:54,510 --> 01:45:51,100 was just sitting in I don't know I can't 2590 01:46:08,010 --> 01:45:54,520 say anything more but it was very 2591 01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:08,020 enlightening this is what yeah so what 2592 01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:11,170 you're saying is very telling in and I 2593 01:46:19,410 --> 01:46:16,090 so the clue of the owl is in my opinion 2594 01:46:21,690 --> 01:46:19,420 is a is a call to is a wake-up call 2595 01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:21,700 right so it's an alarm clock like you 2596 01:46:24,390 --> 01:46:22,810 have an alarm clock in the morning to 2597 01:46:26,580 --> 01:46:24,400 wake you up and that's what the owl is 2598 01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:26,590 there to do and that's one way to look 2599 01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:28,210 at it I don't know your story completely 2600 01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:33,370 but I would say you know don't turn your 2601 01:46:37,800 --> 01:46:35,410 back on these UFO experiences go towards 2602 01:46:42,450 --> 01:46:37,810 them dig into them do the hard work it's 2603 01:46:46,460 --> 01:46:42,460 going to tell you suddenly I've been 2604 01:46:48,799 --> 01:46:46,470 doing that for a number of years now and 2605 01:46:53,359 --> 01:46:48,809 yes I take it serious 2606 01:46:54,770 --> 01:46:53,369 I do yes well yeah good no that's 2607 01:46:55,939 --> 01:46:54,780 remarkable and if you want to contact me 2608 01:47:01,129 --> 01:46:55,949 it's easy to get a hold of me through my 2609 01:47:01,700 --> 01:47:01,139 site I would love to hear more yes of 2610 01:47:06,529 --> 01:47:01,710 course 2611 01:47:08,629 --> 01:47:06,539 yeah I've kept a dream journal things 2612 01:47:15,379 --> 01:47:08,639 have been going on ever since I was a 2613 01:47:18,979 --> 01:47:15,389 little child so you know and really 2614 01:47:24,189 --> 01:47:18,989 recently that I've started to get into 2615 01:47:29,450 --> 01:47:24,199 UFOs because I kept dreaming of UFOs and 2616 01:47:31,250 --> 01:47:29,460 and seeing little people you know and so 2617 01:47:41,870 --> 01:47:31,260 I I started to search on the internet 2618 01:47:49,490 --> 01:47:41,880 and things turn up in my mind and well 2619 01:47:50,689 --> 01:47:49,500 thank you so much for the call okay all 2620 01:47:56,689 --> 01:47:50,699 right okay yeah okay 2621 01:47:59,479 --> 01:47:56,699 alveta same yeah we have another caller 2622 01:48:01,569 --> 01:47:59,489 on the line call your first name and 2623 01:48:04,459 --> 01:48:01,579 where you calling from 2624 01:48:06,919 --> 01:48:04,469 hey Martin this is Eric from Los Angeles 2625 01:48:10,089 --> 01:48:06,929 hi Eric are you thanks for calling yeah 2626 01:48:13,279 --> 01:48:10,099 you have a question for our guest well 2627 01:48:16,010 --> 01:48:13,289 no I've got a story I'm sure I think 2628 01:48:20,890 --> 01:48:16,020 I've got a whole story for Mike Cleland 2629 01:48:31,669 --> 01:48:24,350 I've always how do i how do I start this 2630 01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:31,679 off okay so basically in a 2014 you were 2631 01:48:36,830 --> 01:48:35,489 talking about how mmm owls and changed 2632 01:48:40,339 --> 01:48:36,840 like what's going on with people's life 2633 01:48:43,700 --> 01:48:40,349 when when I'll start to maybe creep in 2634 01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:43,710 right somehow more UFOs I would say or 2635 01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:51,449 UFOs I guess what I'm trying to say is 2636 01:48:55,850 --> 01:48:53,730 because I believe that I believe in 2637 01:48:59,359 --> 01:48:55,860 these owls and synchronistic events and 2638 01:49:01,609 --> 01:48:59,369 I totally believe in UFOs but in 2014 I 2639 01:49:02,129 --> 01:49:01,619 had just kind of started to brush up on 2640 01:49:13,859 --> 01:49:02,139 you 2641 01:49:16,080 --> 01:49:13,869 either Jimmy Church or that maybe 2642 01:49:18,689 --> 01:49:16,090 Martin's program I can't remember which 2643 01:49:20,459 --> 01:49:18,699 but it just rung a bell with me I was 2644 01:49:22,709 --> 01:49:20,469 just fascinated by this and I thought 2645 01:49:24,689 --> 01:49:22,719 god I've lived in cities all my life 2646 01:49:28,639 --> 01:49:24,699 I've never really seen owls I've never 2647 01:49:32,159 --> 01:49:28,649 to my knowledge seeing a UFO but this is 2648 01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:32,169 resonated and I just instantly thought 2649 01:49:37,589 --> 01:49:35,050 there's something to this and so I've 2650 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:37,599 always been fascinated by your book or 2651 01:49:43,290 --> 01:49:42,010 now books and any chance I could get to 2652 01:49:47,429 --> 01:49:43,300 listen to one of your interviews I would 2653 01:49:49,259 --> 01:49:47,439 I would go and look for it and so a side 2654 01:49:51,719 --> 01:49:49,269 note whenever something strange would 2655 01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:51,729 happen in my life or has happened in my 2656 01:49:57,419 --> 01:49:55,360 life strange or significant Mike I begin 2657 01:50:01,399 --> 01:49:57,429 to have not dreams about necessarily the 2658 01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:01,409 event but just very odd dreams there's 2659 01:50:09,239 --> 01:50:05,010 the high strangeness in my dreams really 2660 01:50:11,270 --> 01:50:09,249 kicks up and you know I don't wake up 2661 01:50:13,229 --> 01:50:11,280 with objects or any feeling like I've 2662 01:50:16,049 --> 01:50:13,239 experienced anything but I can just 2663 01:50:21,679 --> 01:50:16,059 remember the dreams more vividly is a 2664 01:50:24,629 --> 01:50:21,689 better way to put it so it's 2015 now 2665 01:50:29,159 --> 01:50:24,639 and we're living me and my two brothers 2666 01:50:31,169 --> 01:50:29,169 we're living in San Pedro which is just 2667 01:50:35,699 --> 01:50:31,179 you look straight off a San Pedro and 2668 01:50:38,009 --> 01:50:35,709 you can see Catalina Island okay and I 2669 01:50:43,739 --> 01:50:38,019 start to have these very intense very 2670 01:50:45,389 --> 01:50:43,749 weird dreams and I start to just think 2671 01:50:47,929 --> 01:50:45,399 oh this something's gonna happen again 2672 01:50:50,429 --> 01:50:47,939 and my father passes away unexpectedly 2673 01:50:54,449 --> 01:50:50,439 he was old but it was unexpected and he 2674 01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:54,459 and I were not on good terms and within 2675 01:51:00,750 --> 01:50:57,070 I'm gonna say a week or ten days of it I 2676 01:51:02,580 --> 01:51:00,760 started to see howls at night and I 2677 01:51:08,549 --> 01:51:02,590 don't know if they were always there or 2678 01:51:11,239 --> 01:51:08,559 if I maybe you know maybe maybe they did 2679 01:51:14,990 --> 01:51:11,249 come into my life some way but I just 2680 01:51:16,790 --> 01:51:15,000 thought it was a really strange 2681 01:51:18,590 --> 01:51:16,800 there's something to this synchronicity 2682 01:51:20,570 --> 01:51:18,600 and I think it's George Noory who's 2683 01:51:25,010 --> 01:51:20,580 always said it best like there really is 2684 01:51:26,450 --> 01:51:25,020 no coincidence in this world so I just 2685 01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:26,460 thought I would call it in and let you 2686 01:51:30,740 --> 01:51:28,770 know that I thought the book is 2687 01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:30,750 fantastic I think there's something to 2688 01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:33,450 it I'm a pretty skeptical person and 2689 01:51:39,790 --> 01:51:38,130 even I have recognized the synchronicity 2690 01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:39,800 of what you're talking about 2691 01:51:46,160 --> 01:51:42,090 excellent Eric thank you so much for the 2692 01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:46,170 call oh you bet thanks guys bye yes 2693 01:51:50,660 --> 01:51:48,000 those owls showing up shortly after the 2694 01:51:53,420 --> 01:51:50,670 death of a parent is is remarkably 2695 01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:53,430 consistent in what I'm getting that's 2696 01:51:57,740 --> 01:51:56,370 that is very common and I'm as I said 2697 01:51:59,810 --> 01:51:57,750 earlier I think it's very common I think 2698 01:52:01,670 --> 01:51:59,820 it's getting you know people had the 2699 01:52:03,590 --> 01:52:01,680 same experience you know out in front of 2700 01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:03,600 their cave you know and and the people 2701 01:52:06,740 --> 01:52:05,130 are now having it the same experience 2702 01:52:10,360 --> 01:52:06,750 you know out there in front of their 2703 01:52:12,830 --> 01:52:10,370 apartment and do you think those are 2704 01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:12,840 these owls do you think they're nothing 2705 01:52:18,620 --> 01:52:15,810 but owls in this circumstance and they 2706 01:52:22,100 --> 01:52:18,630 just woody what do you think's going on 2707 01:52:24,200 --> 01:52:22,110 I mean I know it's a mystery in general 2708 01:52:28,190 --> 01:52:24,210 sure yeah real owls I mean I've had you 2709 01:52:29,510 --> 01:52:28,200 know I've yes so that's the question 2710 01:52:31,850 --> 01:52:29,520 isn't it like well how does this owl 2711 01:52:34,100 --> 01:52:31,860 like how does how did the chess masters 2712 01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:34,110 of reality like move the pawns on the 2713 01:52:40,850 --> 01:52:36,690 chess boards so so you know the the 2714 01:52:43,730 --> 01:52:40,860 grieving child is is confronted with the 2715 01:52:47,270 --> 01:52:43,740 the real owl you know you know in a way 2716 01:52:49,070 --> 01:52:47,280 that they can see it wow we have time 2717 01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:49,080 for one more call of someone like to 2718 01:52:55,340 --> 01:52:51,690 call in but kind of a short call and 2719 01:52:58,220 --> 01:52:55,350 that number is six zero three nine six 2720 01:53:00,080 --> 01:52:58,230 seven four oh three oh just took the 2721 01:53:03,650 --> 01:53:00,090 number down sorry about that but it's a 2722 01:53:06,260 --> 01:53:03,660 again live call only during the show six 2723 01:53:09,740 --> 01:53:06,270 oh three nine six seven four OH three oh 2724 01:53:11,810 --> 01:53:09,750 one other question had come in have you 2725 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:11,820 ever collaborated with any other 2726 01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:14,010 abduction researchers where they had 2727 01:53:19,420 --> 01:53:16,650 similar witnesses witness accounts 2728 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:19,430 involving owls 2729 01:53:25,460 --> 01:53:23,130 well I'm sure yeah I mean I mean so what 2730 01:53:27,290 --> 01:53:25,470 happens is when I I was I worked with 2731 01:53:28,810 --> 01:53:27,300 Budd Hopkins when I was looking into my 2732 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:28,820 own experiences 2733 01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:31,850 and I worked with but or with Leo and 2734 01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:34,490 and I spent some time with David Jacobs 2735 01:53:38,620 --> 01:53:36,770 and Barbara lamb and you asked these 2736 01:53:40,930 --> 01:53:38,630 people all of them like do you have any 2737 01:53:42,700 --> 01:53:40,940 odd experiences stirs stories show up 2738 01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:42,710 with owls and they look at you like of 2739 01:53:46,330 --> 01:53:44,270 course they show up all the time we get 2740 01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:46,340 all stories all the time and then 2741 01:53:51,790 --> 01:53:49,610 they'll go on to describe the the screen 2742 01:53:54,910 --> 01:53:51,800 memory aspect so that's not really where 2743 01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:54,920 my my you know that's the thread that I 2744 01:53:59,080 --> 01:53:56,810 want to pull is those real owls the 2745 01:54:01,000 --> 01:53:59,090 mystery of the real owls as opposed to 2746 01:54:05,760 --> 01:54:01,010 the four-foot-tall owls so the Owls that 2747 01:54:08,590 --> 01:54:05,770 you know so you know I this this is very 2748 01:54:10,150 --> 01:54:08,600 yeah so people are well aware of this 2749 01:54:12,730 --> 01:54:10,160 and now what's happening Oh rosemary 2750 01:54:15,790 --> 01:54:12,740 guiley who has been wonderful as far as 2751 01:54:18,880 --> 01:54:15,800 being helpful in my research so as well 2752 01:54:20,530 --> 01:54:18,890 as so here's so there's a the fellow who 2753 01:54:22,210 --> 01:54:20,540 wrote he's that he also does abduction 2754 01:54:23,650 --> 01:54:22,220 research and UFO research but he's 2755 01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:23,660 mostly known for the black-eyed children 2756 01:54:28,300 --> 01:54:26,960 his name is David Weatherly so he told 2757 01:54:31,150 --> 01:54:28,310 me a wonderful story where he was going 2758 01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:31,160 to the house of someone who had had UFO 2759 01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:33,860 contact and that the was a mom and there 2760 01:54:37,450 --> 01:54:35,330 were some kids in the house and so he 2761 01:54:39,490 --> 01:54:37,460 was they were talking about what felt 2762 01:54:41,500 --> 01:54:39,500 like repeated UFO contact at the house 2763 01:54:43,810 --> 01:54:41,510 so he went there to interview him as 2764 01:54:46,200 --> 01:54:43,820 part of his research and he is also a 2765 01:54:48,790 --> 01:54:46,210 shaman he doesn't talk about this much 2766 01:54:51,550 --> 01:54:48,800 but he's he's open with it he'll talk 2767 01:54:53,140 --> 01:54:51,560 about it though he keeps it separate 2768 01:54:54,820 --> 01:54:53,150 from his day job which is this 2769 01:54:56,140 --> 01:54:54,830 paranormal research which is to me 2770 01:54:58,660 --> 01:54:56,150 interesting because I can see the 2771 01:55:00,400 --> 01:54:58,670 overlap so he goes to the house he pulls 2772 01:55:02,020 --> 01:55:00,410 up in the driveway he's got a little 2773 01:55:03,070 --> 01:55:02,030 voice recorder right so he's gonna be 2774 01:55:04,540 --> 01:55:03,080 putting new batteries in the voice 2775 01:55:07,180 --> 01:55:04,550 recorder is he he's looking down he's 2776 01:55:08,260 --> 01:55:07,190 not looking at his you know on front of 2777 01:55:10,660 --> 01:55:08,270 the car he's in the driver's seat in 2778 01:55:13,150 --> 01:55:10,670 front of this house and then he feels a 2779 01:55:16,150 --> 01:55:13,160 palpable like thud and like literally 2780 01:55:18,130 --> 01:55:16,160 feels a little tap on the car and he 2781 01:55:21,010 --> 01:55:18,140 looks up and there's a great horned owl 2782 01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:21,020 standing on the hood of the car through 2783 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:24,770 the windshield so that the shamanism 2784 01:55:29,110 --> 01:55:26,330 thing shows up I'm sure I mentioned it a 2785 01:55:31,540 --> 01:55:29,120 few times here but in this so a shaman 2786 01:55:34,810 --> 01:55:31,550 at the home of someone who's having UFO 2787 01:55:36,850 --> 01:55:34,820 contact is looking looking into the eyes 2788 01:55:40,360 --> 01:55:36,860 of an owl that lands on the roof of his 2789 01:55:42,939 --> 01:55:40,370 car on the hood of his car now later I 2790 01:55:45,069 --> 01:55:42,949 had David Weatherly 2791 01:55:48,040 --> 01:55:45,079 he's said I wrote about shamanism in an 2792 01:55:50,229 --> 01:55:48,050 essay this ace essay was kind of the 2793 01:55:52,779 --> 01:55:50,239 genesis the foundation for the book for 2794 01:55:53,770 --> 01:55:52,789 what became the book and he um I sent it 2795 01:55:55,989 --> 01:55:53,780 off to him and I said listen can you 2796 01:55:57,339 --> 01:55:55,999 read this and just you know I don't want 2797 01:55:58,899 --> 01:55:57,349 to be talking out of my hat as far as 2798 01:56:00,520 --> 01:55:58,909 the shamanism stuff because I'm not an 2799 01:56:01,870 --> 01:56:00,530 expert and he read through it he said oh 2800 01:56:03,819 --> 01:56:01,880 this is good essays he made a couple 2801 01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:03,829 very simple changes which I put into the 2802 01:56:06,910 --> 01:56:05,209 document he said oh I could have 2803 01:56:08,199 --> 01:56:06,920 straight for you like what's up he said 2804 01:56:09,310 --> 01:56:08,209 well I was reading the document I was on 2805 01:56:12,189 --> 01:56:09,320 my computer I was reading it on the 2806 01:56:13,779 --> 01:56:12,199 computer and um is that my desk and then 2807 01:56:15,339 --> 01:56:13,789 there's this thing flitted by the window 2808 01:56:17,890 --> 01:56:15,349 cuz I looked out the window and there 2809 01:56:19,859 --> 01:56:17,900 was an owl on the branch I think was 2810 01:56:23,620 --> 01:56:19,869 actually on a power line I'm not on the 2811 01:56:25,989 --> 01:56:23,630 power line outside his window and I said 2812 01:56:27,609 --> 01:56:25,999 how many times have you seen an owl out 2813 01:56:29,649 --> 01:56:27,619 your window said oh I've never seen an 2814 01:56:32,770 --> 01:56:29,659 owl on the window how long have you 2815 01:56:34,660 --> 01:56:32,780 lived at this house 20 years so he's a 2816 01:56:38,410 --> 01:56:34,670 shaman is reading an essay about 2817 01:56:40,629 --> 01:56:38,420 shamanism written by a guy that's 2818 01:56:42,509 --> 01:56:40,639 interested in the owl stuff and as he's 2819 01:56:46,479 --> 01:56:42,519 doing it he sees an owl on his window 2820 01:56:49,149 --> 01:56:46,489 this is Sir this is hard to like like 2821 01:56:50,529 --> 01:56:49,159 like what really happened behind the 2822 01:56:52,239 --> 01:56:50,539 scenes I like I want to sit with the 2823 01:56:54,279 --> 01:56:52,249 scriptwriters of reality and like see 2824 01:56:55,959 --> 01:56:54,289 how they like you know like what they're 2825 01:56:58,029 --> 01:56:55,969 thinking I mean cuz if this was in a 2826 01:57:00,699 --> 01:56:58,039 movie if someone had written this in a 2827 01:57:02,169 --> 01:57:00,709 movie I would you know and I was the 2828 01:57:04,330 --> 01:57:02,179 executive producer I'd walk into the 2829 01:57:05,890 --> 01:57:04,340 scriptwriting room and go hey guys this 2830 01:57:09,069 --> 01:57:05,900 is getting a little corny why don't you 2831 01:57:15,819 --> 01:57:13,270 well well hey it's uh it looks like the 2832 01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:15,829 end of our show Mike it's always a lot 2833 01:57:19,029 --> 01:57:17,209 of fun talking to you and hopefully 2834 01:57:22,239 --> 01:57:19,039 we'll cross paths again in another 2835 01:57:24,149 --> 01:57:22,249 conference I sure hope so yeah yeah yeah 2836 01:57:27,939 --> 01:57:24,159 are you doing any speaking engagements I 2837 01:57:31,229 --> 01:57:27,949 have one lined up in in the in October 2838 01:57:34,359 --> 01:57:31,239 in I think it's October I got a in um in 2839 01:57:35,589 --> 01:57:34,369 Quebec so in Montreal the wrench 2840 01:57:37,149 --> 01:57:35,599 speaking conference they're gonna have 2841 01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:37,159 translators for me and it's it's really 2842 01:57:43,259 --> 01:57:39,170 funny because it's a it's a scientific 2843 01:57:47,439 --> 01:57:43,269 it's a heavily scientific talk about um 2844 01:57:50,469 --> 01:57:47,449 UFOs and it's at a college it's being 2845 01:57:51,729 --> 01:57:50,479 treated seriously and I got on the phone 2846 01:57:52,989 --> 01:57:51,739 with a guy who's doing the conference my 2847 01:57:53,979 --> 01:57:52,999 first word I thought I was like what are 2848 01:57:55,689 --> 01:57:53,989 you talking to me for I'm not a 2849 01:57:56,710 --> 01:57:55,699 scientist like I'm the most unscientific 2850 01:57:58,300 --> 01:57:56,720 guy in the hedge 2851 01:58:00,820 --> 01:57:58,310 the balls first trying to do this and 2852 01:58:03,160 --> 01:58:00,830 he's like no no we want you there and he 2853 01:58:05,770 --> 01:58:03,170 so only was a wonderful conversation and 2854 01:58:07,930 --> 01:58:05,780 and I was like yikes what am I getting 2855 01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:07,940 myself into so yeah so that's coming up 2856 01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:09,890 in October in Quebec that might slow you 2857 01:58:15,850 --> 01:58:11,530 down a little bit that's all 2858 01:58:16,900 --> 01:58:15,860 all the translations know they have the 2859 01:58:19,180 --> 01:58:16,910 little thing of it's like being at the 2860 01:58:20,680 --> 01:58:19,190 UN and they all fancy the 2861 01:58:22,510 --> 01:58:20,690 french-speaking people like little 2862 01:58:25,480 --> 01:58:22,520 headsets yeah that's nice 2863 01:58:27,610 --> 01:58:25,490 yeah excellent all right so go ahead and 2864 01:58:30,820 --> 01:58:27,620 if you would toss your blogs out there 2865 01:58:32,950 --> 01:58:30,830 one more time and that'll do it for I'll 2866 01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:32,960 do just so I did look it up here while 2867 01:58:38,490 --> 01:58:34,970 we were talking so it's the name of her 2868 01:58:41,970 --> 01:58:38,500 blog is at spirals end but the URL is 2869 01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:41,980 for this woman Lucretia Hart oh yes blog 2870 01:58:49,300 --> 01:58:47,570 is spirals - end dot livejournal calm I 2871 01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:49,310 think spirals end if you type that in 2872 01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:50,960 there UFO's it would come right up but 2873 01:58:57,610 --> 01:58:54,320 I'll read it again spirals - end dot 2874 01:59:00,940 --> 01:58:57,620 livejournal calm my web site is hidden 2875 01:59:03,820 --> 01:59:00,950 experience dot blog spot.com you can 2876 01:59:05,920 --> 01:59:03,830 also find me at Mike Cleland calm and if 2877 01:59:08,950 --> 01:59:05,930 you can't remember of any of that just 2878 01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:08,960 google UFOs and owls and you will find 2879 01:59:11,290 --> 01:59:10,850 me I will be right at the top of the 2880 01:59:13,290 --> 01:59:11,300 list 2881 01:59:15,880 --> 01:59:13,300 excellent all right Mike you take care 2882 01:59:19,810 --> 01:59:15,890 thanks so much it was a joy all right 2883 01:59:20,230 --> 01:59:19,820 and we'll be talking to you soon yes all 2884 01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:20,240 right 2885 01:59:30,630 --> 01:59:27,410 we are all out of show and thank you so 2886 01:59:35,500 --> 01:59:30,640 much we'll be back next week with Ellie 2887 01:59:38,260 --> 01:59:35,510 Maloney she ugly she's a European lady 2888 01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:38,270 and she's written a fiction fiction book 2889 01:59:43,380 --> 01:59:41,450 but has some pretty interesting insights 2890 01:59:47,860 --> 01:59:43,390 we'll be talking to her next week and 2891 01:59:50,350 --> 01:59:47,870 thanks so much for listening and again 2892 02:00:00,130 --> 01:59:50,360 we'll be back same time next week and